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It would be interesting to see the whole sign. The bottom is cut off. Was there more that may explain things?

scgstuff wrote:I know the facility I got my CHL class did not allow any loaded firearms in it. They specifically asked that no one bring in any ammunition or a loaded firearm. I thought it was a requirement because it was an NRA training classroom. Not sure, but that is what I gathered from talking to them.

When I hold an NRA class I follow the no live ammo in the classroom rule.
When I hold a CHL class I have the new students bring their firearms in, cased and unloaded. Renewals I remind that concealed means concealed, if I see it their gone.

sugar land dave wrote:

A-R wrote:

RottenApple wrote:Was it 30.06 or otherwise prohibited by law (such as a school)? If not, then unless they ORALLY tell you or hand you a card/piece of paper with the 30.06 wording on it, their policies mean nothing.

There, I fixed it for you

From the English dictionary:

verbal
▶adjective

* 1 relating to or in the form of words.

* 2 spoken rather than written; oral.

* 3 Grammar relating to or derived from a verb.

I see your dictionary citation and raise you with a citation from Texas Penal Code 30.06 (with emphasis added, of course):

(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.

Also definition from http://www.dictionary.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; of BOTH words:

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ver·bal
   /ˈvɜrbəl/ Show Spelled[vur-buhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of or pertaining to words: verbal ability.
2.
consisting of or in the form of words: verbal imagery.
3.
expressed in spoken words; oral rather than written: verbal communication; verbal agreement.

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o·ral
   /ˈɔrəl, ˈoʊr-/ Show Spelled[awr-uhl, ohr-] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
uttered by the mouth; spoken: oral testimony.
2.
of, using, or transmitted by speech: oral methods of language teaching; oral traditions.
3.
of, pertaining to, or involving the mouth: the oral cavity.

Neither word is "wrong" in most contexts. "Oral communication" is a more exact description of "spoken by mouth" than "verbal communication", which could mean merely communicating with words rather than symbols OR could refer to the more modern meaning similar to "oral communication"

But above and beyond us word Nazis' (I'm a former copy editor) enjoyment of splitting hairs over the meanings of words, there is the more important LEGAL matter - the Legislature in its infinite wisdom deemed the word "oral" to more appropriately convey their intended meaning.

Does this hair splitting matter from a LEGAL viewpoint? I dunno, I'm not a lawyer

sugar land dave wrote: From the English dictionary:

verbal
▶adjective

* 1 relating to or in the form of words.

* 2 spoken rather than written; oral.

* 3 Grammar relating to or derived from a verb.

Don't start this again. I agree with you but got hammered on another thread.

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Addressing a couple of questions/comments:

1. I had initially put up the picture with the bottom of the sign missing (Mo Jo). The rationale was that I found the sign humorous, and didn't necessarily wish to slam the folks putting on the class as they did a pretty good job and the location was clear on the bottom of the sign and might negatively impact them. It was at a warehouse / medical training center in Houston that the instructor was using for the classroom session, that to the best of my knowledge, is not a hospital licensed under section 242.

2. Why didn't I walk out and demand a refund? (Rotten Apple) I was getting my wife in for her CHL. Dragging her out of bed at 6:00am on a Saturday and knowing she goes into ADD-mode about 15 minutes into a 10 hour class, I'd have never gotten her back in a class anywhere else if we'd left.

3. How did they know I was carrying? (The Annoyed Man). The folks holding the class knew I have my CHL and was bringing my wife in to get her's. They were allowing me to sit in the class with her vs. dropping her off and picking her up that night. They asked at the door if I was carrying, I responded, and they politely asked if I would please take it back to the car and secure it. I considered this to be an *oral* notification under 30.06 and stowed it.

* Before using "verbal", "spoken", "enunciated", "uttered", or "oral" I decided to check the verbiage in 30.06 first *

In all, the instructor did a great job in the class, my wife got her CHL, and I found the sign to be funny/ironic.

Great job getting your wife into the class. I know sometimes that's worse than pulling teeth. Understand why you did not walk. It was for the greater good.

As this classroom seems not to belong to the instructor, he was probably faced with a dilemma himself. Renting a classroom can take a large bite out of the money an instructor takes in for a class. It can also be difficult to even find a place to conduct the class.
He probably wrestled with this and decided that the rate or availabilty was sufficient to justify this requirement.