Gov. Perry's Ethics

[RockingRook]

At this moment NBC news is criticizing Perry. I have noticed that have been doing such for a couple weeks now.
News outlets should be reporting the news not creating it.

Fox news has been criticized for being biased and not news worthy. I find this not to be the case.

My main news outlet is Fox and I have yet to see the NEWS pople critical of anyone.

I am not talking about Hannity or O'Reilly I am talking about the news like
Shepard Smith.

Again, I hope Perry can weather the storm and get elected and I hope he surrounds himself with people
that will help him run a winning campaign.

Chuck

[Heartland Patriot]

Okay, I get it, you don't like Governor Perry, you want a moderate president...but there are a LOT of us who feel otherwise.

If you were referring to me then you do not get it. I like Perry and when he announced his candidacy I was very happy. I figured that the Republicans have in Perry a way of
defeating Obama come next fall.

Listening to his rhetoric I felt that he hurt himself and his chances to win the election. Why have someone on the ticket that cannot win? It would be like
handing a second term to O. I want Obama voted out and in Perry I saw a person that could do it but his ideas do not ring well in much of the rest of the country.

The Republicans need more than just Texas to win the election. If I was one of the people that was duped into believing that Perry actually advocated secession then I was wrong
and stupid but this word needs to get out. Maybe Perry himself could clarify that.

As far as wanting a moderate President you are correct and believe me that a far left or a far right will not get elected because it takes the entire country to vote not
just a few counties in Texas.

Obama is far left but he did not express those ideas and beliefs when he was campaigning. He came across as a moderate Dem.

He was smart enough to know his far left ideas would not get him into the WH. All I am saying is that Perry should realize that and do not come
across as a far right candidate.

Chuck

You are correct that I misunderstood you. It seemed by what you wrote that you were advocating AGAINST Mr. Perry (and perhaps others of that type) and perhaps for a "Huntsman". My concern is that electing a Huntsman would be nothing more than Obama-lite. That is why so many of us do NOT want a RINO-type. With your replies, I can understand your concern about playing to "the center" in the general election...but have you seen the polls? While we all know they aren't terribly reliable, the one thing they do show is that ALL the Republicans are competitive against Obama. And I also feel that there is an "anybody but Obama" mood across the nation...which Obama will have to work VERY hard to erase (not to mention get very lucky, as well) considering the levels of unemployment. I am for Governor Perry because I KNOW he is pro-2A...I worry about what sort of un-"commons sense" firearms regulations that others may sign were something of that nature to make it to their hypothetical Presidential desks. I'm sure that most of us on this forum understand that limiting the law-abiding to 10-round magazines, to use an example, leaves us at a disadvantage against law breakers (yes, I know that most 1911s only hold 7 or 8 but that is NOT what I am getting at here)...but I worry that a President Romney, for instance, WON'T understand that. This is a firearms- and carry-centered forum, and so I am trying to keep the focus there. I don't wish to attack anyone's religion, or any other personal beliefs. I don't know what Governor Perry can do to get folks to vote for him, but I certainly think that him looking wishy-washy on topics will turn people off...I think they've had quite enough of the wishy-washy already.

[RockingRook]

Okay, I get it, you don't like Governor Perry, you want a moderate president...but there are a LOT of us who feel otherwise.

If you were referring to me then you do not get it. I like Perry and when he announced his candidacy I was very happy. I figured that the Republicans have in Perry a way of
defeating Obama come next fall.

Listening to his rhetoric I felt that he hurt himself and his chances to win the election. Why have someone on the ticket that cannot win? It would be like
handing a second term to O. I want Obama voted out and in Perry I saw a person that could do it but his ideas do not ring well in much of the rest of the country.

The Republicans need more than just Texas to win the election. If I was one of the people that was duped into believing that Perry actually advocated secession then I was wrong
and stupid but this word needs to get out. Maybe Perry himself could clarify that.

As far as wanting a moderate President you are correct and believe me that a far left or a far right will not get elected because it takes the entire country to vote not
just a few counties in Texas.

Obama is far left but he did not express those ideas and beliefs when he was campaigning. He came across as a moderate Dem.

He was smart enough to know his far left ideas would not get him into the WH. All I am saying is that Perry should realize that and do not come
across as a far right candidate.

Chuck

You are correct that I misunderstood you. It seemed by what you wrote that you were advocating AGAINST Mr. Perry (and perhaps others of that type) and perhaps for a "Huntsman". My concern is that electing a Huntsman would be nothing more than Obama-lite. That is why so many of us do NOT want a RINO-type. With your replies, I can understand your concern about playing to "the center" in the general election...but have you seen the polls? While we all know they aren't terribly reliable, the one thing they do show is that ALL the Republicans are competitive against Obama. And I also feel that there is an "anybody but Obama" mood across the nation...which Obama will have to work VERY hard to erase (not to mention get very lucky, as well) considering the levels of unemployment. I am for Governor Perry because I KNOW he is pro-2A...I worry about what sort of un-"commons sense" firearms regulations that others may sign were something of that nature to make it to their hypothetical Presidential desks. I'm sure that most of us on this forum understand that limiting the law-abiding to 10-round magazines, to use an example, leaves us at a disadvantage against law breakers (yes, I know that most 1911s only hold 7 or 8 but that is NOT what I am getting at here)...but I worry that a President Romney, for instance, WON'T understand that. This is a firearms- and carry-centered forum, and so I am trying to keep the focus there. I don't wish to attack anyone's religion, or any other personal beliefs. I don't know what Governor Perry can do to get folks to vote for him, but I certainly think that him looking wishy-washy on topics will turn people off...I think they've had quite enough of the wishy-washy already.

I share your concerns about the 2nd amendment. I know that Perry would be the best to get into the WH in order to quell the UN bid to disarm everyone. My only
hope is that Gov. Perry gets the Republican nomination. He has to change course a bit from where he has started, I really believe. I originally come from NY. I know how they think
and it seems that same thinking applies to the west coast as well.

Surely many people are fed up with Obama but these people do not want to change from one extreme to the other. Hopefully Perry will move his discourse more toward the
center and get the nomination. Who else is there? I mentioned Romney because he seems to be popular in the north eastern states. All I want is somebody to beat Obama.

I do not want Perry to be wishy washy but stick to today's issues and do not alienate the different voting blocks like "gay rights" and people that want "church and state" to
remain separate. There are plenty of issues out there that show how badly Obama and his administration have messed up, stick to those and do not create
anything new that can be used to trash you.

Recently on the local news here the question was asked, "Is Perry a racist?" Why, I do not know but he is being beat up on our local NBC station here around the San Antonio area.

Hoping that Perry can get the nomination!!

Chuck

[Heartland Patriot]

Okay, I get it, you don't like Governor Perry, you want a moderate president...but there are a LOT of us who feel otherwise.

If you were referring to me then you do not get it. I like Perry and when he announced his candidacy I was very happy. I figured that the Republicans have in Perry a way of
defeating Obama come next fall.

Listening to his rhetoric I felt that he hurt himself and his chances to win the election. Why have someone on the ticket that cannot win? It would be like
handing a second term to O. I want Obama voted out and in Perry I saw a person that could do it but his ideas do not ring well in much of the rest of the country.

The Republicans need more than just Texas to win the election. If I was one of the people that was duped into believing that Perry actually advocated secession then I was wrong
and stupid but this word needs to get out. Maybe Perry himself could clarify that.

As far as wanting a moderate President you are correct and believe me that a far left or a far right will not get elected because it takes the entire country to vote not
just a few counties in Texas.

Obama is far left but he did not express those ideas and beliefs when he was campaigning. He came across as a moderate Dem.

He was smart enough to know his far left ideas would not get him into the WH. All I am saying is that Perry should realize that and do not come
across as a far right candidate.

Chuck

You are correct that I misunderstood you. It seemed by what you wrote that you were advocating AGAINST Mr. Perry (and perhaps others of that type) and perhaps for a "Huntsman". My concern is that electing a Huntsman would be nothing more than Obama-lite. That is why so many of us do NOT want a RINO-type. With your replies, I can understand your concern about playing to "the center" in the general election...but have you seen the polls? While we all know they aren't terribly reliable, the one thing they do show is that ALL the Republicans are competitive against Obama. And I also feel that there is an "anybody but Obama" mood across the nation...which Obama will have to work VERY hard to erase (not to mention get very lucky, as well) considering the levels of unemployment. I am for Governor Perry because I KNOW he is pro-2A...I worry about what sort of un-"commons sense" firearms regulations that others may sign were something of that nature to make it to their hypothetical Presidential desks. I'm sure that most of us on this forum understand that limiting the law-abiding to 10-round magazines, to use an example, leaves us at a disadvantage against law breakers (yes, I know that most 1911s only hold 7 or 8 but that is NOT what I am getting at here)...but I worry that a President Romney, for instance, WON'T understand that. This is a firearms- and carry-centered forum, and so I am trying to keep the focus there. I don't wish to attack anyone's religion, or any other personal beliefs. I don't know what Governor Perry can do to get folks to vote for him, but I certainly think that him looking wishy-washy on topics will turn people off...I think they've had quite enough of the wishy-washy already.

I share your concerns about the 2nd amendment. I know that Perry would be the best to get into the WH in order to quell the UN bid to disarm everyone. My only
hope is that Gov. Perry gets the Republican nomination. He has to change course a bit from where he has started, I really believe. I originally come from NY. I know how they think
and it seems that same thinking applies to the west coast as well.

Surely many people are fed up with Obama but these people do not want to change from one extreme to the other. Hopefully Perry will move his discourse more toward the
center and get the nomination. Who else is there? I mentioned Romney because he seems to be popular in the north eastern states. All I want is somebody to beat Obama.

I do not want Perry to be wishy washy but stick to today's issues and do not alienate the different voting blocks like "gay rights" and people that want "church and state" to
remain separate. There are plenty of issues out there that show how badly Obama and his administration have messed up, stick to those and do not create
anything new that can be used to trash you.

Recently on the local news here the question was asked, "Is Perry a racist?" Why, I do not know but he is being beat up on our local NBC station here around the San Antonio area.

Hoping that Perry can get the nomination!!

Chuck

The UN Small Arms Treaty worries me a little, I guess. I'd hate for the Senate to be sold a bill of goods on that thing. Not to mention, if it passes, even with DOMESTIC protections, without any imports of firearms or ammo, the prices here would skyrocket. Bad business, for certain. Concerning ANY Republican nominee, though, they SHOULD stick to the economic issues as much as possible. That is where we are in the most dire straights right now and that is where the focus should be. Any other avenues could be pursued by said Republican President and a hopefully more Republican Congress...once the economy was running good again. One of those avenues being a real look at national defense, the wars, and our overseas commitments, to include paying folks like Pakistan . Glad we are in the same band, even if we have different ideas on how to play the tune.

[BLG]

Interesting article.
So..........How do they do politics in the USA?
I have lived in Texas all my life and as far as I know, that's the way it's done.

[All I am saying is that Perry should realize that and do not come
across as a far right candidate.

Anyone who's heard of Texas (and I suspect a lot of folks elsewhere have) knows Perry is so right-wing, he flies in left hand circles. To pretend to be moderate would be such an obvious lie that he might come across as inept.




edited to fix qoute

[RockingRook]

Anyone who's heard of Texas (and I suspect a lot of folks elsewhere have) knows Perry is so right-wing, he flies in left hand circles. To pretend to be moderate would be such an obvious lie that he might come across as inept.

BHO is so far left the he flies in very tight circles and if it weren't for altitude he would screw himself into the ground. BUT he was smart enough not to come across that way in
his campaign. If it were just Texans voting in the national election he might win but unfortunately there are 49 other states voting as well.

I can guarantee you that many people from the rest of the country have never really heard of Gov. Perry except that he is a Texan. Maybe 50% can do that.

Most people from NY cannot find Texas on the map.

Believe that or not but it is true!! They will learn about Perry in his campaign and what the news reports and from that they will make their decision come election day.

All I am saying is that he cannot come across so far to the right and even expect to win. Are politicians phoneys? Yes, they have to be that is the nature of the beast.

If politicians suddenly want to be honest and expose their true feelings they probably will not make it
very far unless it is in a relatively local election.

Right now Gov. Perry is running neck and neck with BHO in different polls but election day is too far ahead for that to matter right now.

Chuck

[C-dub]

McCain lost because too many people got caught up feeling good about themselves for voting for a Black man, rather than considering his empty rhetoric and examining the vacuum that was his resume. This plus "anti-Bush" sentiment.

McCain didn't "run enthusiastically" because he's too old and too wiley. He knew it was a lost cause early on. He didn't want to play "scorched earth" because of the damage he knew it would do. Hopefully We The People realize the mistake that's been made and can rectify it next year.

Just my opinion.

There ya go.

[anygunanywhere]

I just want a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate who want efficient government rather than big or small government. Is that too much to ask?

Perry 2012 (for the moment)

Oxymoron. You can't have both. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative are mutually exclusive.


By its definition, a government cannot be efficient.

Anygunanywhere

[DEB]

I just want a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate who want efficient government rather than big or small government. Is that too much to ask?

Perry 2012 (for the moment)

Oxymoron. You can't have both. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative are mutually exclusive.


By its definition, a government cannot be efficient.

Anygunanywhere

Perry 2012...

[74novaman]

Oxymoron. You can't have both. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative are mutually exclusive.
Anygunanywhere

Not at all mutually exclusive. The word libertarian ring a bell?

By the classic "left to right" political spectrum, (which is wrong) I would be considered socially left and fiscally right.

Why? because I don't think the govt should be involved in either one very much. If two consenting adults want to be involved in a relationship? Not my business, or the govts.

The Republican party needs to be consistent in their beliefs. Some self identified social conservatives that want to legislate issues like gay marriage aren't anti-big govt, they're just anti democrat big govt. As long as they're making the rules, they're happy with lots of govt.

That's going to drive people like me, who's default setting is "less govt is almost always the best solution" away from the Rs and into the libertarian movement.

For those that are interested, here's a really good essay on the better 2 axis political spectrum that should replace the pedantic, french revolution spawned "left-right" spectrum we seem to be stuck on. http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1644

[Heartland Patriot]

Interesting article.
So..........How do they do politics in the USA?
I have lived in Texas all my life and as far as I know, that's the way it's done.

All I am saying is that Perry should realize that and do not come
across as a far right candidate.

Chuck

Anyone who's heard of Texas (and I suspect a lot of folks elsewhere have) knows Perry is so right-wing, he flies in left hand circles. To pretend to be moderate would be such an obvious lie that he might come across as inept.

@BLG: Can you PLEASE fix the quote stuff above? You made it appear that I said that about Governor Perry when it was Rocking Rook who said that. The quoting is fine when used appropriately, and I will take the credit or heat as appropriate for what I said, but not for what someone else said. Thank you.

[RockingRook]

It is getting confusing!!

[RoyGBiv]

I just want a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate who want efficient government rather than big or small government. Is that too much to ask?

Perry 2012 (for the moment)

You run at the top and I'll be your VP.

Our debt is out of hand, our spending is through the roof we need exactly what you describe and that is Perry.

Perry is most certainly NOT "socially liberal".
On Social issues he is Left of only Bachman.

[RockingRook]

I just want a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate who want efficient government rather than big or small government. Is that too much to ask?

Perry 2012 (for the moment)

You run at the top and I'll be your VP.

Our debt is out of hand, our spending is through the roof we need exactly what you describe and that is Perry.

Perry is most certainly NOT "socially liberal".
On Social issues he is Left of only Bachman.

I do not think I said he is socially liberal. I think he is fiscally conservative and a gun rights person but socially liberal?? A socially liberal person
is pro choice, against the death penalty and a proponent of more give away programs.

I think of all the republicans out there Perry is the best amongst them all but that does not mean I have to agree with each and every
idea they may have. If Bachmann gets the nod I will vote for her, if Romney gets the nod I will vote
for him. But I hope that Perry gets the nod.

Chuck

[RoyGBiv]

Oxymoron. You can't have both. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative are mutually exclusive.
Anygunanywhere

Not at all mutually exclusive. The word libertarian ring a bell?

By the classic "left to right" political spectrum, (which is wrong) I would be considered socially left and fiscally right.

Why? because I don't think the govt should be involved in either one very much. If two consenting adults want to be involved in a relationship? Not my business, or the govts.

The Republican party needs to be consistent in their beliefs. Some self identified social conservatives that want to legislate issues like gay marriage aren't anti-big govt, they're just anti democrat big govt. As long as they're making the rules, they're happy with lots of govt.

That's going to drive people like me, who's default setting is "less govt is almost always the best solution" away from the Rs and into the libertarian movement.

For those that are interested, here's a really good essay on the better 2 axis political spectrum that should replace the pedantic, french revolution spawned "left-right" spectrum we seem to be stuck on. http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1644

I agree with you 74-No-Go And thanks for that zombietime link... a very interesting read...
I'm not sure it's a good sales pitch to an unbeliever (it's just too long and I don't agree 100% with it), but the basic concepts are interesting and, IMO, valid.

I am, more every day, Libertarian.
The social engineering, two-faced double-dealing and polarization of American politicians has alienated me.
Unfortunately, I think things will need to get MUCH worse for most Americans to abandon their current Left-Right views.
It will take a very strong, very credible leader and effective communicator to lead America down the difficult path we must, eventually, face.
Our trouble can be solved, but not within our current socio-political framework.
Ron Paul has the right ideas (not 100%, certainly), but is far too quirky and unelectable.
Take Obama's personality, Ron Paul and Paul Ryan's ideas (on the economy) and wrap it up with the irrefutable honor (and foreign policy) of McCain and I think lots of people could be swayed.

Perry..??
Business as usual.