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Deport the people who hire illegals along with the illegals. Drop them in Antarctica.

MasterOfNone wrote:

loadedliberal wrote:

MasterOfNone wrote:

Beiruty wrote:20 ft high barb wires, then some 100 ft of smart land mines, then another 20 ft high barb wires. No more illegal crossings.

Wire is easily defeated with cutters. And mines would draw too much opposition from lefties.

No. Mines would just be morally wrong. The only solution I see is stopping them from getting employment by having strong penalties ageist any company that hires illegal immigrants. There are too many here now to deport them all so we need to dry up the jobs and most of them will leave.

And we have to dry up all sources of government assistance with strong penalties for any government official who provides assistance. And when the illegals are caught, they should be imprisoned and work to offset the cost of enforcement and deportation.

Strong penalties for hiring illegals (any company OR individual).
No government assistance including health care, housing, education, food (Lone Star card etc).None.
No more anchor babies.

gemini wrote:

MasterOfNone wrote:

loadedliberal wrote:

MasterOfNone wrote:

Beiruty wrote:20 ft high barb wires, then some 100 ft of smart land mines, then another 20 ft high barb wires. No more illegal crossings.

Wire is easily defeated with cutters. And mines would draw too much opposition from lefties.

No. Mines would just be morally wrong. The only solution I see is stopping them from getting employment by having strong penalties ageist any company that hires illegal immigrants. There are too many here now to deport them all so we need to dry up the jobs and most of them will leave.

And we have to dry up all sources of government assistance with strong penalties for any government official who provides assistance. And when the illegals are caught, they should be imprisoned and work to offset the cost of enforcement and deportation.

Strong penalties for hiring illegals (any company OR individual).
No government assistance including health care, housing, education, food (Lone Star card etc).None.
No more anchor babies.

I think this is the best option. A hardened border, I believe, would just infringe on our rights as US citizens the freedom of movement. Every place I have been, that has a hardened border, also has multiple military checkpoints behind, for some miles, the hardened site. This to insure that the border was not compromised. Humans can do some pretty amazing things to circumvent security, especially when it involves their poverty, hunger, and especially their lives. Look at Mexico now, do you think we could absolutely stop those people from leaving, to what they believe is a better life? I believe if they have nothing to come to here, then they would try to fix there. Heavily fine employers, all of them, including our Hollywood types, who are caught hiring illegals. Make hiring US citizens the best sense, both fiscally and morally.

DEB wrote:

gemini wrote:Strong penalties for hiring illegals (any company OR individual).
No government assistance including health care, housing, education, food (Lone Star card etc).None.
No more anchor babies.

I think this is the best option. A hardened border, I believe, would just infringe on our rights as US citizens the freedom of movement. [...] I believe if they have nothing to come to here, then they would try to fix there. Heavily fine employers, all of them, including our Hollywood types, who are caught hiring illegals. Make hiring US citizens the best sense, both fiscally and morally.

as well, although I would hate to have to provide ID at a hospital before they'll save my life (or limb).

Dave2 wrote:

DEB wrote:

gemini wrote:Strong penalties for hiring illegals (any company OR individual).
No government assistance including health care, housing, education, food (Lone Star card etc).None.
No more anchor babies.

I think this is the best option. A hardened border, I believe, would just infringe on our rights as US citizens the freedom of movement. [...] I believe if they have nothing to come to here, then they would try to fix there. Heavily fine employers, all of them, including our Hollywood types, who are caught hiring illegals. Make hiring US citizens the best sense, both fiscally and morally.

as well, although I would hate to have to provide ID at a hospital before they'll save my life (or limb).

Emergency medical care has never, to my knowledge, been part of the discussion of restricting health care. I have heard nobody propose refusing to save a life regardless of status.

The foundation is already in place to "secure" the border. We already use fixed installations and patrols, however, not at an adequate level. While it is impossible to completely lock up ANY nations' borders, our current situation can be significantly improved by incorporating active and reserve elements of our armed forces to patrol some of the "dead zones". For YEARS we have tasked troops to pull border security in ridiculous places like...the Sinai desert....or the Balkans, or Korea. Meanwhile Arizona, Texas, California and New Mexico have been turned into a migrant super highway. Never made sense to me...

Ultimately, however, the most effective tactic to reduce the number of those willing to ignore our immigration laws is to reduce the incentive. As mentioned before, those willfully employing illegal aliens need to be held accountable in a manner that makes it unprofitable to take the risk in the first place. There is currently very little consequence for 1.) crossing the border illegally, and 2.) Exploiting illegal labor. Until the consequence is significant enough to deter the practice, then both sides will continue to ignore the law, and conditions will get worse than they are now.

Can't we pass another law and just put up some signs?













If there was a law that every University had to be located on the border .... wonder what would happen.

There is no easy way to secure the border. Lots of miles and lots of people who want in. I think our entire immigration system is deplorable and needs complete overhaul. The biggest problem are the border politicians who pander to the illegal population in the belief (I believe mistaken belief) that it will earn them votes among U.S. hispanics. Cleaning up the rampant corruption in our elected officials is the first step. Everything else will just be window dressing until we get some patriots in office and get these traitors out.

MasterOfNone wrote:Emergency medical care has never, to my knowledge, been part of the discussion of restricting health care. I have heard nobody propose refusing to save a life regardless of status.

Maybe not where you live, but in Tarrant County (Fort Worth) it has been suggested that the county hospital system (which includes one of our two trauma centers) could save a large percentage of it's budget by closing the ER, alone, to undocumented aliens, since that seems to be a major gateway into the hospital system.

RPB wrote:If there was a law that every University had to be located on the border .... wonder what would happen.

As a UTEP student, probably not much would change. I would guess 25% of the students come from Mexico to attend school there every semester. A good portion of that traverse the border every day to get to class.

loadedliberal wrote:

MasterOfNone wrote:

Beiruty wrote:20 ft high barb wires, then some 100 ft of smart land mines, then another 20 ft high barb wires. No more illegal crossings.

Wire is easily defeated with cutters. And mines would draw too much opposition from lefties.

No. Mines would just be morally wrong. The only solution I see is stopping them from getting employment by having strong penalties ageist any company that hires illegal immigrants. There are too many here now to deport them all so we need to dry up the jobs and most of them will leave.

As has been historically demonstrated by municipalities and states that adopt strong illegal immigration laws. When you risk arrest and deportation by trying to live and work in one of these areas, they leave.

loadedliberal wrote:

MasterOfNone wrote:

Beiruty wrote:20 ft high barb wires, then some 100 ft of smart land mines, then another 20 ft high barb wires. No more illegal crossings.

Wire is easily defeated with cutters. And mines would draw too much opposition from lefties.

No. Mines would just be morally wrong. The only solution I see is stopping them from getting employment by having strong penalties ageist any company that hires illegal immigrants. There are too many here now to deport them all so we need to dry up the jobs and most of them will leave.

On top of that.... A mine is a terrible thing to waste.

...if we'd do to them what they'd do to us if we snuck into their country...it'd stop real quick...America's known as the Big Softie...Mexico would throw us into a hole and forget to feed us if we immigrated illegally...and prolly write Mama for ransom money...

Nope. Make it cheaper to come into the country legally. Application could be made at the American Consulate (or other appropriate place) in any country of origin. Quotas could be set, but we don't have any now.

First, charge $10,000 per person/$15,000 per family (2 adults + children under the age of ?). Coyotes charge up to $25,000 per person, I understand.

Second, The only disallowing condition would be criminal conviction in another country.

Third, Contractors would be certified to provide transportation for groups of individuals to centers of employment. The contractors would charge a transportation fee but this fee would be limited to a reasonable sum (in order to prevent gouging of our newly arrived guests.)

When they come into the country, we get their identification papers, pictures, etc. The charge should offset any lost income tax for all but the most skilled of such workers, assuming they disappear. Then law enforcement would only have to worry about criminals, which is their rightful concern, is it not.

The transportation contractors would have standards to meet so we would eliminate the "two dozen people found in truck in desert" from happening.

If the coyotes drop their price, we drop ours to keep parity and make it more beneficial to enter legally.

This is probably politically incorrect, but ...