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Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:33 am
by shootthesheet
My rule is if the entrance I use isn't posted I don't look for signs and use the same door to leave. A sign at a main entrance that is closed to the public is not binding unless they can prove you saw it somehow. I am not going to risk my life because I fear I might be wrongly jailed or convicted. Leaving a carry gun in a car may just be a life and death decision which is something we often forget when we think about these grey areas. Odds are we won't need a gun during that visit but I am not going to be cowering in a room and waiting for someone to come in to shoot me because some business and local government doesn't know the law as written. It is a decision each of us has to make but I can say I will kick and scream in support of any CHL who obeyed the law only to be harassed by those who would hang us for it.
Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:42 am
by Scott in Houston
shootthesheet wrote:My rule is if the entrance I use isn't posted I don't look for signs and use the same door to leave. A sign at a main entrance that is closed to the public is not binding unless they can prove you saw it somehow. I am not going to risk my life because I fear I might be wrongly jailed or convicted. Leaving a carry gun in a car may just be a life and death decision which is something we often forget when we think about these grey areas. Odds are we won't need a gun during that visit but I am not going to be cowering in a room and waiting for someone to come in to shoot me because some business and local government doesn't know the law as written. It is a decision each of us has to make but I can say I will kick and scream in support of any CHL who obeyed the law only to be harassed by those who would hang us for it.
Agreed. I was fine until I saw it. I wouldn't have seen it, but my friend needed to walk for exercise, so we happened by it. At that time, I had been notified, and the fact that cameras are everywhere would not allow me to claim I never saw it.
I was tempted to just hang onto it until I left, but losing my right isn't worth the risk.
Sad isn't it? It's a RIGHT, and yet, I have to worry about losing it because of bureaucracy.
Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:06 am
by fratermus
RottenApple wrote:So if you enter a building and the entrance is not posted, but you later see a valid 30.06 sign, I believe you would then be under obligation to leave the premises and disarm before returning. BTW, IANAL.
Dunno if it's a legal obligation but if I see what appears to be a good faith attempt to post 30.06 I make my excuses ASAP and visit the truck.
Anecdote: took my renewal class tonight and the instructor said (at least twice) that CHL can't carry in hospitals, churches, or amusement parks. There was no indication the instructor was familiar with the
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(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply
language.
Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:27 am
by Scott in Houston
fratermus wrote:RottenApple wrote:So if you enter a building and the entrance is not posted, but you later see a valid 30.06 sign, I believe you would then be under obligation to leave the premises and disarm before returning. BTW, IANAL.
Dunno if it's a legal obligation but if I see what appears to be a good faith attempt to post 30.06 I make my excuses ASAP and visit the truck.
Anecdote: took my renewal class tonight and the instructor said (at least twice) that CHL can't carry in hospitals, churches, or amusement parks. There was no indication the instructor was familiar with the
Code: Select all
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply
language.
Did you point that out? I hate to correct someone like that, but he's doing the others in the class a disservice.
I would pull him aside at a break so you're not humiliating him in class, but making sure the info gets out to the class eventually.
Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:58 am
by Matt78665
I just use a common sense approach. If I see a sign that is valid I disarm. I either don't got there again or disarm before entering next time. One sign is good enough for me
Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:10 pm
by fratermus
Scott in Houston wrote:Did you point that out? I hate to correct someone like that, but he's doing the others in the class a disservice.
I would pull him aside at a break so you're not humiliating him in class, but making sure the info gets out to the class eventually.
I did bring it up with something like: "my recollection was that there was a change to the original law that requires 30.06 posting if churches/amusement parks/hospitals want to keep CHL out. Is that not the case?"
The instructor indicated the prohibition was intact and it didn't seem to ring any bells for the other students.. I tried to find the language on my phone during the next break but I had a terrible data connection. I started to doubt myself -- maybe I was remembering this wrong. Later I did discreetly encouraged my nearby classmates to read the law for themselves when they got a chance, and to read language a little below the original prohibition.
Re: Random carry at hospital story (small lesson maybe?)
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:45 pm
by Divided Attention
I know some nurses ask people to refrain from cell phone use because people seem to put a phone to their ear and forget everyone else can hear them as well. They talk loudly and often about quite inappropriate stuff! Most electronics are "buffered" now, so the cell is not an issue, more of a courtesy issue. JMPHO.