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Quimosabe TontoJJVP wrote:And he would beat a fence post with a firearm, why?if I was to beat a fence post with my 1911 it would cease to function whereas the Glock will continue firing.
I asked the same question. I think he was just trying to illustrate with a hypothetical situation, however it just left me confuse. I don't beat posts with my pistol, and I don't recall dropping one except my airsoft.Well said Sir.A-R wrote:Sorry good buddy, but this is inaccurate. Glocks have three safeties - one active (trigger safety) and two passive/automatic (firing pin safety and drop safety).The Annoyed Man wrote:For one thing, a typical 1911 has at least three safety mechanisms to the Glock's one
Original 1911s only had two active (grip safety and thumb safety) and zero passive/automatic (though later models have integrated various drop safeties and firing pin safeties).
In a nutshell, the 1911 safeties would "allow" someone to press the trigger of a loaded 1911 without it going BANG. Depending on your point of view, this good (extra level of safety) or bad (false sense of safety, as in "look I can press the trigger and nothing will happen" ... until you fail to realize your muscle memory already subconsciously deactivated the thumb safety and ... BANG).
Both are great handgun systems, likely the best two ever developed. And each user should choose the system that fits them best.
As for NDs, it's a stretch to compare 1911s to Glocks in this regard because of sheer numbers (how many more police officers etc. use Glocks daily than 1911s?) and because of the change over that was made in law enforcement from revolvers with relatively heavy triggers (8-15 pounds vs. about 5-6 for a stock Glock) but still no external active safeties of any kind. And yes, I realize the US military used 1911s for 75 years, but it was not the primary weapon of many (most?) who carried it and and likely not subject to number of unholster/reholster repetitions as a LEO-used handgun.
LOL I have a S&W 625JM that will definitely kick some butt. However, I won't beat a fence post with it either, and I have NEVER dropped it.gigag04 wrote:This whole thread is nonsense. Everyone should know by now that a revolver is the only reliable type of handgun.
Let me help you unload that worthless, antiquated wheel gun that shoots old technology .45 ammo by trading you a Glock for it. Heck I'll even trade you a 1911 for itSeabear wrote:I have a S&W 625JM
Yes, but the external safeties require something additional from the shooter besides just pulling the trigger. The internal safeties on the Glock may work to prevent it from discharging if dropped, but once the finger goes into the trigger guard, all bets are off; whereas putting your finger in the trigger guard of a cocked and locked 1911 will do exactly nothing unless the grip safety is deliberately depressed, and the thumb safety is deliberately switched off.A-R wrote:Sorry good buddy, but this is inaccurate. Glocks have three safeties - one active (trigger safety) and two passive/automatic (firing pin safety and drop safety).The Annoyed Man wrote:For one thing, a typical 1911 has at least three safety mechanisms to the Glock's one
Original 1911s only had two active (grip safety and thumb safety) and zero passive/automatic (though later models have integrated various drop safeties and firing pin safeties).
Which statistics are those? Do you have a link?The Annoyed Man wrote: It is equally true that the sheer number of "Glock Leg" incidents simply dwarfs the number of "1911 leg" incidents, in large part due to the fact that drawing and using a 1911 requires the user to also use the fourth safety.....his brain. A Glock user on the other hand may get his booger hook into the trigger guard at any stage of the process, including the initial draw stroke, without ever engaging the fourth safety, and very easily shoot himself in the leg. Hence the statistics.
Now, I am not calling Glock users stupid. What I am saying is that they have to pay much closer attention to what they are doing in order to safely handle their pistols, than does the 1911 user with a cocked and locked pistol. And I am not saying Glock users pay less attention either. I'm just saying that if their attention wanders, the likelihood of an ND is quite a bit higher, which explains the statistics.
You're welcome to come to Corpus and "unload it" as many times as you want, however I don't think it will be going for a ride with anyone else but me.A-R wrote:Let me help you unload that worthless, antiquated wheel gun that shoots old technology .45 ammo by trading you a Glock for it. Heck I'll even trade you a 1911 for itSeabear wrote:I have a S&W 625JM
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk[/youtube]kjolly wrote:What does he have against fence posts?
Seriously I perfer the separate thumb safety or DAO. If the safety is on the trigger and I've already made the mistake of putting my finger inside the trigger guard I don't see that as an adaquate safety.
Seabear wrote:You're welcome to come to Corpus and "unload it" as many times as you want, however I don't think it will be going for a ride with anyone else but me.A-R wrote:Let me help you unload that worthless, antiquated wheel gun that shoots old technology .45 ammo by trading you a Glock for it. Heck I'll even trade you a 1911 for itSeabear wrote:I have a S&W 625JM
BUNK! A single-shot TC Contender is much more reliablegigag04 wrote:This whole thread is nonsense. Everyone should know by now that a revolver is the only reliable type of handgun.
