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lkd wrote:Child excitedly came home from middle school today. He proudly went to the computer in our living room to play a video for his mom...people singing the Koran. Then went on to explain that Islam meant "peace" and that those people were friendly and that only a few people were responsible for 9/11.



Then I showed him this:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/0 ... s-to-grow/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and this
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... e-US_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and a few other links, not to mention a lecture about the roots of 9/11 (for which the school is apparently working hard to dhiminish <- catch the pun there?)

Then I told him to deduce what kind of "Peace" it really meant by examining actions and not words. I didn't inundate him with details about Sharia and the Dhimmi mindset.

I'm sure I'll be called by the school tomorrow and they will attempt to forcibly pacify both him and I, pointing out that the Koran is chock full of teddy bears, unicorns, and sweet smelling flowers.

Proud of you! Too many parents expect "school" to teach their children
and then are surprised when they become self centered, overly self assured,
little receptacles yearning for the teachings of "CAIR", Marx, Saul Alinsky and the list goes on...

Before the Federalization and unionization of education, parents at the local level are what
made schools a place for not only learning to read and write, but understand true American History.
Coming to realize the sacrifices of our forefathers and instilling the value of continuing to protect freedom.

When Parents aren't involved,,,, someone else will be.

Good for you, whatever your value set. Teach it at Home!

That is outrageous to the point of treason. I will never attack another person for their religious beliefs, but to pretend that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam is preposterous. Our school system needs to focus on the ABC's and 123's and leave it there.

Agreed. Sep of Church & State should be taught. Religion of any kind has no place in schools, that is for the parents to deal with. However, I think it is important that as parents we should make it abundantly clear that Islam is not evil, but there are several extremest sects in the Islam religion that have taken it to the point of evil. 911 was a wake up call to anyone who didn't know that.

I dont agree with Islam teachings, but I will be the first to stand up and say that being muslim doesn't make one a bad person. I hate to take it back to the dark ages, but there was a time when my beloved Catholic Church was running around killing eeevvveeerryyyone who wouldn't submit.

Hate to take the conversation out of context, but I wanted to give my 2 cents!

When I called the principal (was 2 years ago now) about a similar "incident", I was told.....
1. It's part of a standard curriculum that's approved by the state and the ISD
2. That I was "far from" the first person to call about it and
3. That I would be contacted in advance of any similar material being taught in class.

The Principal was not at all apologetic, but rather "sterile" in her response.
She was gone the following year. Not sure where to...

lkd wrote:

suthdj wrote:

karl wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation ... _and_state

After you mentioned it I got curious of its origins as well

ditto
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My previous point was I don't want our schools teaching religion, as they will screw it up.

Ah, but Islam is MORE than a religion...it's is a religion, a global culture, and a codified set of laws that are best summarized in one word: "Submit."

Agreed. It is most definitely a culture.

Look up the definition of the word "Islam".

LKD, kudos for making sure your child sees more of the picture than that presented by the school. In the past, all history books (upon which a good part of the curiculum are derived) were written/edited by the folks who won the wars. These days, "political correctness" and "tolerance" (though clearly biased against Judeo/Christian beliefs) have taken over as well. Only you as a parent can ensure that your kids see other, potentially more correct, perspectives.

As much as I agree that we should not teach religion in public schools, I am alarmed at how far the whole separation of church and state idea sometimes reaches. I recently heard of a case where a child simply said in the classroom in response to something being taught that he as a Christian did not believe it was right to be gay. This child was given suspension for simply stating his beliefs in response to the "lesson". It is truly a travesty that "tolerance" has taken over to the point that we are intolerant of hearing what someone else respectfully says.

Stay the course, and we'll ensure that the next generation has a solid belief system and the curiosity to gain a solid understanding of the issues they face. In other words, we'll produce a new generation of folks with character and discernment despite what the PC crowd wants.

I think that if more parents like you would pay attention to what the children are being taught in school, many other aspects of Liberal indoctrination, not just one sided views of Islam would be discovered.

Considering that many schools are failing miserably in math and science, another interesting question is: how do they have time for this kind of study? That answer, I believe, is WHY the schools are having so much trouble with the three Rs - because a disproportionate part of the day is spent on matters like this. It would be interesting to see just how the school day is broken down.

My wife and I were both teachers. Those who believe that the demand that Global Warning should never be questioned should understand that it is not unique to that movement. While I fully understand that any organization cannot be run as a democracy, there is no questioning of curriculum permitted. The problem comes when you try to trace down the source of the elements of the curriculum. I'm willing to wager a big pile of money that you cannot isolate the person or persons responsible for creating this Islam study element. The school administration will always point elsewhere. Once you leave your local school, you enter the black hole that is the State and Federal government control of the system.

lkd wrote:Child excitedly came home from middle school today. He proudly went to the computer in our living room to play a video for his mom...people singing the Koran. Then went on to explain that Islam meant "peace" and that those people were friendly and that only a few people were responsible for 9/11.



Then I showed him this:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/0 ... s-to-grow/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and this
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... e-US_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and a few other links, not to mention a lecture about the roots of 9/11 (for which the school is apparently working hard to dhiminish <- catch the pun there?)

Then I told him to deduce what kind of "Peace" it really meant by examining actions and not words. I didn't inundate him with details about Sharia and the Dhimmi mindset.

I'm sure I'll be called by the school tomorrow and they will attempt to forcibly pacify both him and I, pointing out that the Koran is chock full of teddy bears, unicorns, and sweet smelling flowers.

If his teacher, or any of the administrators you deal with are female, you could suggest they come to work everyday wearing a Burqa. It would help them to understand how the Islamic culture loves and cherishes their wives and daughters. And it seems like it would also be a good multicultural exercise.

VMI77 wrote:If his teacher, or any of the administrators you deal with are female, you could suggest they come to work everyday wearing a Burqa. It would help them to understand how the Islamic culture loves and cherishes their wives and daughters. And it seems like it would also be a good multicultural exercise.

+1

History reveals the "peacefulness" (warrior invasions, occupations, conquests)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquests" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_o ... iphate.svg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the middle ages, the Muslims used catapults to send (rain) "fire and brimstone" from the sky onto cities.

I know of no "Buddhist army" or " "Taoist Army" or "Christian army" yet that
"Culture of Peace?" had armies and conquests ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_army" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sooooo, Sumbody be fibbin' n tellin' lies ... provably historically.

(Just like that 1st grade teacher that said "you can't subtract 3 from 2" ... then later a 3rd grade teacher said yes you can,... they call it a credit card.)... The National debt explains it can be done .... I learned to not accept "as gospel" anything a "teacher" says, but to research for myself.

RPB wrote:I know of no "Buddhist army" or " "Taoist Army" or "Christian army" yet that
"Culture of Peace?" had armies and conquests

What were the Crusades? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Leaving Jews and Muslims out of it, how about the Massacre of Vassy and the subsequent wars between Christian factions in France. If you want something more recent, how about the Roman Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland?

Cobra Medic wrote:

RPB wrote:I know of no "Buddhist army" or " "Taoist Army" or "Christian army" yet that
"Culture of Peace?" had armies and conquests

What were the Crusades? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Leaving Jews and Muslims out of it, how about the Massacre of Vassy and the subsequent wars between Christian factions in France. If you want something more recent, how about the Roman Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland?

Right, there are lots of historical citations about Christian-based governments that have behaved this way (including papal governments). The problem is that Islam is based on a strict interpretation of the Koran, and the Koran codifies laws of belief AND behavior in ways that most of us would find strange and prehistoric, and there cannot be an altering of those laws, because the Koran is the _inviolate_ word of God. Christian cultures give priority over the rule of law, with the exceptions of a small amount of extremists. Schools seems to conveniently forget this fact, it appears.

Well to be perfectly honest the crusades were a reaction to an invasion by Islamic armies into Europe. If you are going to quote history you need to know the whole story--not just a little bit. The Islamic forces surged into Europe from several directions doing what armies did then pillage, steal, burn, etc etc. The crusades were a response to that (among other convenient political initiatives of the the day). A equal and opposite reaction so to speak.

Ireland/England problems are not so much about religion as they are about a reaction from the Irish to centuries of English oppression.

The massacre of Vassey was nearly 500 years ago. Shall we bring up the Norman invasion of England? How about the Viking raids along the coasts of France? Or the Visigoth sacking of Rome.

My point is the things you are bringing up are centuries old or have precious little to do with religion. How about we look to say the past 150 years? Relatively modern examples. I can give you relatively modern examples of the practice of Islam both good and bad. I can do the same for Christianity. If schools are going to be educating our children on Islamic culture lets be, at minimum, accurate.

RPB said he knew of no "Buddhist army" or " "Taoist Army" or "Christian army" so I gave him an example. I'm sorry if you didn't like the example but I was responding to RPB.

Also Islam is around 14 centuries old. Maybe examples from Christianity at similar age or developmental stage are relevant. Maybe not but maybe. It's something to think about.

Very old and quite questionable examples.