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speedsix wrote:...most "accidental" shootings with a handgun that I've ever known or read about involved a Glock, then a cocked 1911, then a cocked revolver...NEVER have I known personally or read a story where a firearm malfunctioned and went off and hurt someone...

...that hole in the end of the barrel must be pointed in a safe direction...
...know thy weapon well...
...use yer head...

what else is there???

It's that last requirement that most self shooters have trouble with.......

AEA wrote:I'm betting the Glocker leg shooting gun (well known by a Ex-FBI Agent too).

I think the guy you're referring to was a DEA agent who shot himself in the leg in front of a large group on video tape.

jason237m wrote:Usually articles about incidents like this leave out the detail "the pistol discharged as his finger depressed the trigger". The point being that his finger was almost certainly on the trigger while hosltering.

It is either that or I am also familiar with cases where a jacket drawstring, shirttail, or other object got tangled into the gun inside the trigger guard while holstering and it was the foreign object that actually fired the gun.

No one ever won a gunfight by being the fastest re-holsterer.

Middle Age Russ wrote:I hope the deputy makes a full recovery from this negligent, not accidental, discharge. This is not a fun way to have the rule "keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you are ready to shoot" reinforced.

NEGLIGENT is right.

High time for a NEGLIGENT discharge

1. Loading and Unloading

2. Holstering and Unholstering

IMHO

Excaliber wrote:

AEA wrote:I'm betting the Glocker leg shooting gun (well known by a Ex-FBI Agent too).

I think the guy you're referring to was a DEA agent who shot himself in the leg in front of a large group on video tape.

You are correct. Thanks for the correction.

AndyC wrote:Seems to me that 1911 guys generally shoot themselves drawing and Glock guys shoot themselves holstering; there are lessons in there somewhere

carry two guns... Only holster the 1911 and only draw the Glock.....

And while Crossfire has a valid rant,, stereo types and common assumptions are often common, because the very thing the speak to is so common.

sorry, but LEO types often carry a Glock, and very often when you read about a negligent shooting and a LEO.. a Glock was present. .. Nothing is absolute,, but that does not make this any less common.

No matter the weapon, Glock, MK19 in a CROW, M4, SIG22, M9, XD .45.. Negligence is the leading factor in every ND I've seen. I have never seen, investigated, been present for a weapon unintended firing that did not involve negligence.

This is why I stick with DA/SA pistols with a decocking lever/safety.

bronco78 wrote: sorry, but LEO types often carry a Glock, and very often when you read about a negligent shooting and a LEO.. a Glock was present. .. Nothing is absolute,, but that does not make this any less common.

Correlation is not causation...It could just be that since Glocks are used in 65%-70% of all agencies that it just happens to be the gun that is most likely to be in an LEO's hand during ND.

bronco78 wrote: Negligence is the leading factor in every ND I've seen.

Exactly.

AndyC wrote:"If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning"

In a way I'm grateful to those who have NDs - they teach us what not to do, at least. Unfortunately, we always have those who refuse to learn from those who have spilled blood creating the lesson.

...I'm never too proud to get another warning...just one little lapse of mind can really affect your giddyup!!!

I was taught that every "accident" or "negligent incident", whatever you wish to call it, is a chain of items. Break any link of the chain and it will not occur. In this case, it seems that the weakest link, the finger inside the trigger guard while reholstering, would have been the easiest to break. I am NOT an arms professional. I'm a mechanic. But I do my absolute very best to keep that trigger finger flat on the side of the weapon until I'm ready to activate the bang switch. That the LEO in question did not might have been for many reasons, such as "got in a hurry", "poor training", "got distracted", etc. But it seems to me that PROPER PRACTICE to develop that as a good habit would have gone a long way to preventing this incident/accident. (If anything I said is wrong, please point it out, because I'm always willing to learn.)

bronco78 wrote:

AndyC wrote:Seems to me that 1911 guys generally shoot themselves drawing and Glock guys shoot themselves holstering; there are lessons in there somewhere

carry two guns... Only holster the 1911 and only draw the Glock.....

I was thinking something similar. Only need one gun, but never holster it. That avoids the need to draw, avoiding the 1911 problem, and obviously eliminates the Glock problem too.

Bet there would be a lot more pistols forgotten and left lying around if everyone just had to carry in their hand.

Hope the officer recovers quickly! This subject came up not to long ago at a local range about negligent discharge and they said almost all cases involved reholstering, drawing and clearing some type of jam or feed problem. They all told me that the tactical training classes are where it is most likely to happen when reholstering. All the ranges in my area except the one new one has had a negligent discharge where the person was shot in the hand or leg. The two most recent ones were a HPD officer and the range master at two of the ranges. The officer was reholstering and shot his lower leg and the range officer somehow shot his hand while clearing a shooters feed problem. Watch that finger and check that chamber!