Student suspended for ......

[speedsix]

... YOU NAILED IT right here:

"And I gotta say that this new era of educator-as-bureaucrat, not teacher and mentor, ain't workin' out real well. I think it raises a big question-mark about the future of our country..."


...your facts(which I read to my HS teacher-type wife and she wanted me to email to her)back it up with statistics...but you simplified it...the majority of "education" today is pouring facts(or opinions) into the funnel in the student's head, then testing their ability to spit them back out...without ever teaching them the reasons, values, or life goals that should be connected with the knowledge...and it shows...from the cashier at Best Buy who can't count change to the "customer service" rep who didn't hear a detail you gave them, but checked off blank #4 because you mentioned a word they had on their form...these kids can't function in the real world...much less contribute to it meaningfully...it's sad when a HS graduate can't speak in normal sentences, but uses broken spurts of non-descriptive sentence fragments...
...and if you want to get really nervous about our future...give a high-teen or early 20s person today a principle and ask them to explain it and give an example of how they would use it in their own life...
...I don't blame the individual teacher...they're only doing what the system demands...and have no time nor energy left to do more...

[Medic624]

Apparently the Parents ALL voted for this rule and requested it be a zero tolerance no hug policy. So...

[Dragonfighter]

Read "The Underground History of American Education" by John Taylor Gatto sometime - the link points to the whole book free-of-charge.

Got it, read it...home school.

[speedsix]

Apparently the Parents ALL voted for this rule and requested it be a zero tolerance no hug policy. So...

"...School administrators said a committee of parents approved the "no hugging" policy years ago, and there aren't plans to change it any time soon..." this from the original article...

...often those few who serve on "committees" not only are FAR from all...but don't fairly represent the majority...


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[Heartland Patriot]

... YOU NAILED IT right here:

"And I gotta say that this new era of educator-as-bureaucrat, not teacher and mentor, ain't workin' out real well. I think it raises a big question-mark about the future of our country..."


...your facts(which I read to my HS teacher-type wife and she wanted me to email to her)back it up with statistics...but you simplified it...the majority of "education" today is pouring facts(or opinions) into the funnel in the student's head, then testing their ability to spit them back out...without ever teaching them the reasons, values, or life goals that should be connected with the knowledge...and it shows...from the cashier at Best Buy who can't count change to the "customer service" rep who didn't hear a detail you gave them, but checked off blank #4 because you mentioned a word they had on their form...these kids can't function in the real world...much less contribute to it meaningfully...it's sad when a HS graduate can't speak in normal sentences, but uses broken spurts of non-descriptive sentence fragments...
...and if you want to get really nervous about our future...give a high-teen or early 20s person today a principle and ask them to explain it and give an example of how they would use it in their own life...
...I don't blame the individual teacher...they're only doing what the system demands...and have no time nor energy left to do more...

The phrase I remember reading somewhere is "functionally illiterate", which is actually a "standard" that a certain political group wants to use to "educate" American kids. The kids get just enough information to be able to stumble through life without being very capable...which goes all the way back to the "Frankfurt School" of cultural Marxism. A broad-based, multi-prong attack upon the society of the United States (and the Western world in general). The original goal was to help the Soviet Union win; that failed, but the dead hand of those who formed that movement still holds the throttle...look up the 45 stated goals. Yes, some of them that dealt specifically with the Soviet Union may seem quaint...but many of them are anything BUT quaint...and as you read through them, ask yourself just how far has it gone...

[speedsix]

...yup...thinkers are dangerous to despots...

[Medic624]

Apparently the Parents ALL voted for this rule and requested it be a zero tolerance no hug policy. So...

"...School administrators said a committee of parents approved the "no hugging" policy years ago, and there aren't plans to change it any time soon..." this from the original article...

...often those few who serve on "committees" not only are FAR from all...but don't fairly represent the majority...


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If this is the case and it was not a majority then the problem still lies with the inability or unwillingness to have the majority revisit this policy and address this issue. Bottom line is if you stand by and do nothing and allow these inane rules to permeate and perpetuate then there is no recourse when it finally reaches home. Is it ridiculous? Sure! But, it's not like it was an unknown policy and they stood by and allowed it to remain in effect and they're inability to enact change hurt an innocent child. They shoulda done more before it happened.

[speedsix]

...this IS the case, according to the news story...and the committee was prolly made up of the same type of person who volunteers for PTA, Book Fair, and many other things...very concerned and plenty of time on their hands...but they blew THIS one...and the majority of parents prolly never knew it happened...politics at work as usual...the bottom line is that parents shoulda/coulda/and prolly woulda stopped it...if they'd been involved enough to be aware...our district sends home a bound copy of the discipline policy each year...betcha less than 2% read it before signing the slip and returning it...now I doubt enough will rise up and support the kid...he'll do the time...

[bayouhazard]

..it's sad when a HS graduate can't speak in normal sentences, but uses broken spurts of non-descriptive sentence fragments...

No comment.

[JJVP]

Apparently the Parents ALL voted for this rule and requested it be a zero tolerance no hug policy. So...

"...School administrators said a committee of parents approved the "no hugging" policy years ago, and there aren't plans to change it any time soon..." this from the original article...

...often those few who serve on "committees" not only are FAR from all...but don't fairly represent the majority...


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Since the vote was years ago, most likely the students whose parents voted for that policy are no longer students of that school. They should have parents of current students vote for policy that will affect their sons/daughters, not continue to follow policies dictated by people who are no longer associated with the school.

I wonder if the principals attitude would be the same if it was two boys or two girls (gays) who did the hugging. Gay groups would be all over this.

[Medic624]

...this IS the case, according to the news story...and the committee was prolly made up of the same type of person who volunteers for PTA, Book Fair, and many other things...very concerned and plenty of time on their hands...but they blew THIS one...and the majority of parents prolly never knew it happened...politics at work as usual...the bottom line is that parents shoulda/coulda/and prolly woulda stopped it...if they'd been involved enough to be aware...our district sends home a bound copy of the discipline policy each year...betcha less than 2% read it before signing the slip and returning it...now I doubt enough will rise up and support the kid...he'll do the time...

You're making a lot of suppositions and inflicting your views on what you fabricate as a possible scenario regarding the inception of the no tolerance rule. The fact is, it is the policy, and if they didn't know the policy they should take a more active interest in what the school policies are so as to not have their child be subject to this dog and pony show. My children came home with school rules and regulations every year and we had to sit down together and read them and each sign them and then they had to bring them back to show we knew what the "policies" were for the year. In this way we couldn't say... Well, we didn't know.

Is the policy a bit ridiculous ... I personally feel it is... BUT again it is what it is and as such not knowing it or not agreeing with it doesn't make it a policy. Just because you feel they "prolly" would have stopped it has no bearing on the facts.

This is not so different from a HS girl having some ibuprofen in her locker for her "cramping" and getting suspended for a "No Tolerance" medication rule. It's all a nanny state on a microcosm level with serious micro-managing and overkill BUT again... If the rule is deemed outdated or unjust then use the power of the majority and change it... If not then don't complain.

[speedsix]

...this IS the case, according to the news story...and the committee was prolly made up of the same type of person who volunteers for PTA, Book Fair, and many other things...very concerned and plenty of time on their hands...but they blew THIS one...and the majority of parents prolly never knew it happened...politics at work as usual...the bottom line is that parents shoulda/coulda/and prolly woulda stopped it...if they'd been involved enough to be aware...our district sends home a bound copy of the discipline policy each year...betcha less than 2% read it before signing the slip and returning it...now I doubt enough will rise up and support the kid...he'll do the time...

You're making a lot of suppositions and inflicting your views on what you fabricate as a possible scenario regarding the inception of the no tolerance rule. The fact is, it is the policy, and if they didn't know the policy they should take a more active interest in what the school policies are so as to not have their child be subject to this dog and pony show. My children came home with school rules and regulations every year and we had to sit down together and read them and each sign them and then they had to bring them back to show we knew what the "policies" were for the year. In this way we couldn't say... Well, we didn't know.

Is the policy a bit ridiculous ... I personally feel it is... BUT again it is what it is and as such not knowing it or not agreeing with it doesn't make it a policy. Just because you feel they "prolly" would have stopped it has no bearing on the facts.

This is not so different from a HS girl having some ibuprofen in her locker for her "cramping" and getting suspended for a "No Tolerance" medication rule. It's all a nanny state on a microcosm level with serious micro-managing and overkill BUT again... If the rule is deemed outdated or unjust then use the power of the majority and change it... If not then don't complain.

...one supposition...the makeup of the "committee" ...and my opinion isn't a fabrication, it's based on years of watching the kind of folks end up on those "committees"...but whatever...at least I read the OP and knew it wasn't "all the parents"...the rest of the first paragraph is just what I said...
...I guess you don't have any experience going down to the school with your sleeves rolled up and backing them up and making them rescind stupid decisions and policies, sorry but I do...on several occasions...so I know that parents CAN and HAVE had such nonsense stopped...and the facts are that it's a stupid policy and should be changed, and could be if the parents would stand up and yell...

...seems like you're having more fun picking apart my posts than anything... "prolly" the only way I can successfully "inflict my views" is if you read them...there's a hint there...

[E.Marquez]

It does not require masses of parents to be physically present in order to effect change.. It takes one or more –pervasive, well spoken, highly upset / motivated but calm parent, who can present two options, change, or a very well supported and reasoned public objection with a thought out alternative solution. That the administrator understands has a high degree of 1: being made public, 2: is a failed / bad policy that will get undue attention if made public.

Give the ADMIN person a known issue, with high degree of public outcry if it is brought to light and media attention, supply them a well thought out alternative solution that appeases those upset and allows them to save face…

Watch the policy pen fly at that point.

Rant and rave, scream and yell,,, and don’t be too disappointed when you walk (carried) away having not succeeded in your cause.