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AEA wrote:Hummmm

Wife 59, Husband 45, wife gets accidentally shot.........
Just sayin'

And there's probably a law against shooting a cougar in Alabama.

Heartland Patriot wrote:Do people actually take loaded weapons, with rounds chambered, and just toss them all helter skelter into a bag? Once again, my apologies for not getting it. I guess I have a safety paradigm that I need to get rid of when it comes to guns...in the future, I'll just take 'em, load 'em up, and toss 'em around in a bag...

Even if that wasn't unsafe...even if it were some sort of (non-existent) perfectly safe gun, I still wouldn't want it just banging around in a bag getting all beat up. Fair wear on a firearm is one thing, but I do try to take care of them...I ain't rich, so to me, they ain't cheap!

My weapons are always loaded...in my Gun Safe or holster.

If they are being transported and not worn, they are unloaded completely (no mag and empty chamber) and put in their case. If I ever carried them in a range-bag, they would receive a similar treatment.

Even if this were entirely unintentional, it is negligent.

Keith B wrote:

WildBill wrote:Ballistics info will determine if the gun when off while inside the bag.

And, if the gun was loaded in the range bag and laying loose with other items, it is not inconceivable that something got inside the trigger guard and inertia of the bag being set down could have caused it to fire, especially if it has a light trigger. Think Glock with 3.5lb ghost trigger.

The whole thing smells real fishy...I carry a Glock with said trigger and it still has a fair amount of slack. If the story is true, which I doubt, I would think more of a 1911 with the safety bumped off. This is one more reason that ALL of my handguns have a HOLSTER.

Perhaps it was one of those Deringers that does not have a trigger guard.

Brian Mobley wrote:

Keith B wrote:

WildBill wrote:Ballistics info will determine if the gun when off while inside the bag.

And, if the gun was loaded in the range bag and laying loose with other items, it is not inconceivable that something got inside the trigger guard and inertia of the bag being set down could have caused it to fire, especially if it has a light trigger. Think Glock with 3.5lb ghost trigger.

The whole thing smells real fishy...I carry a Glock with said trigger and it still has a fair amount of slack. If the story is true, which I doubt, I would think more of a 1911 with the safety bumped off. This is one more reason that ALL of my handguns have a HOLSTER.

Possible, but not very likely. 1911's have that pesky grip safety too, you know.

Yep, stange stuff can happen. But then too, it may need to be investigated as what a lawyer I had in a hunter ed class referred to as "a red neck divorce."

Pawpaw wrote:

Brian Mobley wrote:

Keith B wrote:

WildBill wrote:Ballistics info will determine if the gun when off while inside the bag.

And, if the gun was loaded in the range bag and laying loose with other items, it is not inconceivable that something got inside the trigger guard and inertia of the bag being set down could have caused it to fire, especially if it has a light trigger. Think Glock with 3.5lb ghost trigger.

The whole thing smells real fishy...I carry a Glock with said trigger and it still has a fair amount of slack. If the story is true, which I doubt, I would think more of a 1911 with the safety bumped off. This is one more reason that ALL of my handguns have a HOLSTER.

Possible, but not very likely. 1911's have that pesky grip safety too, you know.

All of them, really?

Okay, let me try this. IF the handgun, in the possession of people who are SUPPOSED TO BE TRAINED on firearms, was in proper working condition and carried in a proper, safe manner (such as unloaded, or holstered, cased, etc.), it shouldn't have discharged. I can take any of my firearms, load them and chamber a round, and place it on my kitchen table. Then, AS LONG AS NO ONE DOES ANYTHING TO IT, it will lay there inert and not fire, and likely corrode and rust into a lump if it were never touched again. The article seems, to me, to be another one of those "ooh, icky poo-poo, unsafe guns that no one should have" kind of a thing. The article SHOULD have focused on the TRUTH, but that wouldn't make for good "journalism", now would it? My apologies, but the last few days there has been a veritable onslaught of "unsafe guns" articles being broadsided across the "news", despite the record low numbers of firearms accidents in reality. I'm really starting to believe Mark Twain on this one: if I don't read the news, I'm uninformed...and if I do read the news, I'm ill-informed.

Heartland Patriot wrote:Do people actually take loaded weapons, with rounds chambered, and just toss them all helter skelter into a bag?

Not "all helter skelter", no. I do put my P226 in my glovebox sometimes, but it's situated such that: 1) nothing can touch the trigger; 2) even if something were to catch on the trigger, nothing has enough room to move the length of the double-action trigger pull. Does anyone think I'm being irresponsible? (Seriously... I'm really asking.) I'm planning on getting a Safe Box or a NanoVault; it just hasn't happened yet.

I do not pull this stunt with my P220 SAO because there's nothing to keep the road vibrations from disengaging the thumb safety, which then, in my mind, leads to me committing negligent homicide somewhere on the road because the short SA trigger pull means that #2 (see above) no longer applies, which means I'm down to only one fail-safe, and that's no good. Maybe thumb safeties don't work themselves off as easily as I fear they do, but this is my first foray into cocked'n'locked carry, and I'm slightly paranoid about it.

Dave2 wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:Do people actually take loaded weapons, with rounds chambered, and just toss them all helter skelter into a bag?

Not "all helter skelter", no. I do put my P226 in my glovebox sometimes, but it's situated such that: 1) nothing can touch the trigger; 2) even if something were to catch on the trigger, nothing has enough room to move the length of the double-action trigger pull. Does anyone think I'm being irresponsible? (Seriously... I'm really asking.) I'm planning on getting a Safe Box or a NanoVault; it just hasn't happened yet.

I do not pull this stunt with my P220 SAO because there's nothing to keep the road vibrations from disengaging the thumb safety, which then, in my mind, leads to me committing negligent homicide somewhere on the road because the short SA trigger pull means that #2 (see above) no longer applies, which means I'm down to only one fail-safe, and that's no good. Maybe thumb safeties don't work themselves off as easily as I fear they do, but this is my first foray into cocked'n'locked carry, and I'm slightly paranoid about it.

I tend to throw a gun into the console or door side pockets. I always keep it in a holster when I do this. I've noticed thumb safeties get knocked off sometimes. I don't completely trust mine.
I've have a couple of cheap uncle Mikes with retention straps that I use for car carry. not expencive I think it adds a layer of safety, and it helps prevent the guns from getting real banged up. I carry my guns in a range bag, but always holstered and wrapped in a towel or microfiber rag to protect them. There may be a better way, but I am not familiar with it.

AEA wrote:Hummmm
Wife 59, Husband 45, wife gets accidentally shot.........
Just sayin'

Heartland Patriot wrote:That story isn't missing any information...nope, not one little bit. Guns do NOT go off by themselves...

Yep and double yep!!

couzin wrote:

AEA wrote:Hummmm
Wife 59, Husband 45, wife gets accidentally shot.........
Just sayin'

Heartland Patriot wrote:That story isn't missing any information...nope, not one little bit. Guns do NOT go off by themselves...

Yep and double yep!!

Add the newly hired 32 y/o female blonde bombshell that just hired on at the Sheriff's Office as late shift dispatcher and you've got the case closed.......

So stupid and senseless!!

I tend to throw a gun into the console or door side pockets. I always keep it in a holster when I do this.

Me, too. And none of my guns have a safety. All ready to fire.

If you are putting it into a holster, then that is doing it the right way...I understand the need to have one in the chamber ready to go...but I am also a firm believer in holsters, even if its not on my person.