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Dave2 wrote:

OldCannon wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote: How many nurses getting off shift at "0-dark thirty" do you think have been assaulted, raped, kidnapped, or robbed in hospital parking lots all over the country in the last 10 years? It is a non-trivial and preventable risk.

Pretty much none, so it's definitely trivial.

I'd like to see your source on that. I'm not doubting you, but... well, ok, I am doubting you, but only because I would've guessed that there wouldn't be that much of a statistical difference. I don't think you're lying or anything, just maybe wrong.

As a general habit, I like to call out situations where people make a broad statement without apparent supporting evidence. In my case, I was pushing back on the claim "It is a non-trivial and preventable risk" (my emphasis added). I don't have evidence that supports the situation either way, but I haven't seen an indication of the above claim either. By me saying I lack evidence to support my claim does not mean the opposing claim is true. I WILL say, however, that if attacks on hospital staff was non-trivial, that hospital (or hospitals) would quickly see a massive loss of doctors and nurses. The economic evidence would suggest that a hospital would spare every expense possible to make sure that highly-trained and valuable staff members felt safe, hence the claim of "non-trivial" above fails to pass a "reasonableness test." I know that if my wife felt unsafe where she worked, she'd quit and go elsewhere immediately. It's not like highly-trained medical staff are easy to come by.

olafpfj wrote:
The antis always want guns banned from "emotionally charged" places...

This would include the donut shop when they're out of chocolate cream filled, the auto repair shop when my car is not ready as promised, the WalMart cuz, well, I hate the place (thought that might qualify as I hate crime) and even my own house when things get a little heated .

OldCannon wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:How many nurses getting off shift at "0-dark thirty" do you think have been assaulted, raped, kidnapped, or robbed in hospital parking lots all over the country in the last 10 years? It is a non-trivial and preventable risk.

As a general habit, I like to call out situations where people make a broad statement without apparent supporting evidence. In my case, I was pushing back on the claim "It is a non-trivial and preventable risk" (my emphasis added).

My sister-in-law, a nurse anesthetist robbed in the hospital parking lot after an ER shift, considered her experience non-trivial. So do I.

OldCannon wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote: How many nurses getting off shift at "0-dark thirty" do you think have been assaulted, raped, kidnapped, or robbed in hospital parking lots all over the country in the last 10 years? It is a non-trivial and preventable risk.

Pretty much none, so it's definitely trivial. Hospitals can afford security escorts and they DO offer escorts if a patient or employee asks.

I'm not saying a parking lot is safe, but the services a hospital offers to employees and patients are different from, say, Wal-mart.

My wife works at a hospital and has for over twenty years. I will state that you made two very uninformed statements.

At most hospitals, other than those with trauma centers, the police/security presence is nearly zero. And what "security" there is is nearly useless. All they can do is dial 911.