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Gonna talk to him some more and find out his reasoning....had the same thought about DPS wondering....if I do it I am going to video it. He may just want it for the sake of having and not plan on carrying. According to state laws....the state, instructor has no liability if a client screws up....may be different set of circumstances. Man has played football, rode bulls....might just be another challenge....I would not put it past him to be able to pass the test. He is a very admirable guy....tries to do all on his own....wish a lot of sighted people I know tried as hard as he did.

The email he sent me asking about it was great....he said...I can see how an instructor or any other students might feel a little nervous with me being in the class....he will see 30.06 same way he gets around most of the time...wife helps.

If am instructor is allowed to "square" a student to the target, I would bet there is a good chance of passing if they carefully hold the gun straight ahead. It's not like a high score is needed,

Charles L. Cotton wrote:While I don't know of a statutory prohibition, there's no way he will pass the shooting portion of the class if he is totally blind, not merely legally blind. If DPS finds out this person is totally blind, they are going to wonder how he passed the shooting portion of the test.

Chas.

Interesting dilemma
Danged if you do danged if you don't situation
Brady bunch screaming "he gave a license to a blind guy"
versus discrimination publicity/suit

Perhaps like Flip Wilson used to say "Eric Holder made me do it" ? http://www.ada.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. Department of Justice
Americans with Disabilities Act

What "reasonable accommodations" does one make, if any for a test, for disabilities?
CAN one even make "reasonable accommodations" and it still be a test?
(Like the proposition that standardized tests are biased if I only spoke ghetto or whatever?)

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He will enjoy the video and also be able to pass it down through the family when it's of no further use/value to the licensee.

I know this is about him getting a CHL, but since the thread mentions his wife, I would certainly hope she would get her CHL. If she's not blind and is in the position to be there to help him otherwise, it only makes sense to me that she get her license (assuming there is no reason why she can't).

In 1996 we were told by Lt. Dan Walker that a blind person would not be issued a CHL. He told our instructor class that DPS had been challenged on that position and he confirmed that a blind person would not be issued a license.

Mike Lochabay

I sure hope the media doesn't get a hold of this.

fishman wrote:I sure hope the media doesn't get a hold of this.

Mayor Bloomberg, Chuck the Schmuck, the Brady Bunch, et al, could have a field day with this thread...If it hasn't already been set up.

Oldgringo wrote:

fishman wrote:I sure hope the media doesn't get a hold of this.

Mayor Bloomberg, Chuck the Schmuck, the Brady Bunch, et al, could have a field day with this thread...If it hasn't already been set up.

Funny part would be coverage of Eric Holder insisting that the blind be licensed to carry guns under the ADA which is under the DOJ and Obama doing an executive order to force the States ... or a lawsuit by Eric Holder's DOJ against Texas to force the State to honor ADA and ...

Quote: "In 1996 we were told by Lt. Dan Walker that a blind person would not be issued a CHL. He told our instructor class that DPS had been challenged on that position and he confirmed that a blind person would not be issued a license."

Yepper, I recall Pittman (sometimes a comedian) sayin' they were somewhat forced to take some blind people to the old range at headquarters. And he wound up "calling Legal" and telling something to effect of, "Come and get them. Let them sue me! I am not doing this anymore!'".

Grog wrote:If am instructor is allowed to "square" a student to the target, I would bet there is a good chance of passing if they carefully hold the gun straight ahead. It's not like a high score is needed,

Why not? When you think about it, pointing them in the right direction is less help than an instructor clearing a malfunction so the student can continue the test.

Texas10X wrote:I know this is about him getting a CHL, but since the thread mentions his wife, I would certainly hope she would get her CHL. If she's not blind and is in the position to be there to help him otherwise, it only makes sense to me that she get her license (assuming there is no reason why she can't).

This is one of those accomodations that I don't believe should be made. I don't think there is a question as to whether or not he can pass the shooting test or the written exam. With sufficient practice anyone can, sighted or non-sighted. If a situation arises where he needs to defend himself, how will he be able to identify the threat or identify any risks to innocent bystanders? Since there is no way to predict when one of those situations will arise, there is no way to guarantee someone would be with him at that appropriate time. As far as restrictions, I don't see how this is any different then a blind person getting a drivers license. I would think DPS would find out that he is blind during the background check, through the form of qualified identification. If I recall correctly disability questions are asked on a passport application, income taxes and state issued id. It would be a waste of $140 just to test that possibility.

Lambda Force wrote:There's a difference between legally blind and totally blind. Many people in the first category might be able to manage the written and proficiency tests without much difficulty.

I was assuming "totally" blind, because the OP didn't specify "Legally blind," or "really poor eyesight," or some such.

urnoodle wrote:

Texas10X wrote:I know this is about him getting a CHL, but since the thread mentions his wife, I would certainly hope she would get her CHL. If she's not blind and is in the position to be there to help him otherwise, it only makes sense to me that she get her license (assuming there is no reason why she can't).

This is one of those accomodations that I don't believe should be made. I don't think there is a question as to whether or not he can pass the shooting test or the written exam. With sufficient practice anyone can, sighted or non-sighted. If a situation arises where he needs to defend himself, how will he be able to identify the threat or identify any risks to innocent bystanders? Since there is no way to predict when one of those situations will arise, there is no way to guarantee someone would be with him at that appropriate time. As far as restrictions, I don't see how this is any different then a blind person getting a drivers license. I would think DPS would find out that he is blind during the background check, through the form of qualified identification. If I recall correctly disability questions are asked on a passport application, income taxes and state issued id. It would be a waste of $140 just to test that possibility.

My point exactly. It's a public safety issue. A .45 or a 9mm, fired at muzzle contact distance, will likely go right through the perp and hit whatever is behind him. If the shooter is blind, he cannot see what is who's back there. It is just a really bad idea.

Besides, if they won't give him a CHL, he can still carry under MPA.