ELB wrote:tallmike wrote:I would also like to add, that despite all of the "he should have been wearing eye protection" statements the situation he was in is one where nearly everyone would have been without eye protection. If he had taken the headset off and put a helmet on when he got off the truck to go reassess the fire he would not have put down his face shield for that.
I try to always wear a pair of ANSI Z71+ rated safety glasses at a fire scene, including wildfires, if not in SCBA. The long time standard face shields are good, but things can still come from below, and yes they get in the way sometimes when they are dirty, or it is night and they don't let enough light thru to see. There are other fire helmets now with closer fitting shields that slide into the helmet to help keep them clean (altho I am not sure that really helps all that much, but I still like my safety glasses, and I can wear them even if I take my helmet off for some reason.
At a wildfire scene, the glasses keep branches out of my eyes (especially at night when I can't see them); one time at a small relatively benign grass fire in a vacant lot, a bottle hidden in the grass exploded from the heat and threw glass into my face. I felt pieces hit my (safety-rated) sun glasses.
You can get ANSI Z71+ rated sunglasses at Home Depot for about $7/pair. Being polycarbonate, the do scratch up eventually, so I buy the five-or-six pack of glasses for about $18. And there are shaded versions that double as sun glasses as well.
I started as a fireman in 1964, SCBA was one per truck, and safety gear? In 17 years as a volunteer fireman I saw a lot of changes, not the least of which was every firefighter had safety gear assigned and was expected to use it. I was acting Captain and we had an abandoned house that we were letting burn down in a controlled manner. One of our hose lines was being manned by two kink chasers who were not wearing proper protective gear . I told them to shut their line down and go get dressed properly, and they scoffed, and then one of them went and complained to the chief that I was being (overbearing). The chief was less than supportive of me, but did tell them to suit up.
About ten minutes later, with the fire almost completely burned out, I managed to provide a real good example of why to wear proper gear even at a less than working fire. I was leaning through a doorway using a pike pole to push over a kitchen chimney, when the doorway failed in a rather spectacular manner. The lintel dropped straight down and jammed my helmet right down past my ears.