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Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:54 pm
by smoothoperator
03Lightningrocks wrote:tallmike wrote:03Lightningrocks wrote:tallmike wrote:If you look at what they say they found in the home it just says pornography, not child porn. Search my home and you will find porn too, as well as guns and quite a few rounds for each. The info the media reports comes from the police and they are not giving out anything that goes against their justification for the raid.
They put what he is charged with at the top of the article.
"A
child pornography raid by Harris County sheriff’s deputies Wednesday......."
I am not even sure what the "terrorism task force" is. Maybe they didn't have any terrorism to work on so a child molestor got some extra attention.
While I feel sure you have a porn collection to be proud of, I am going to assume it is of the adult variety and thus falls under the "who cares?" category. They won't be busting down your doors for adult porn so your hypothetical is more than highly unlikely.
A massive stash of weapons and ammunition always becomes part of the story when a person is busted for a serious felony. Most of the normal folks out there don't draw a reverse correlation and assume all gun collectors have child porn. I did think it was funny that he had a house that looked to be worth less than his gun collection and ammo stash...LOL. Unless all his guns were junkers. Hey... I wonder if he will be selling it at a discount to get attorney fees? Maybe I will give him a call and ask...LOL.
They said what he was charged with, and perhaps they have some evidence that says he has child porn, but when it mentioned what they found in his home it did not say they found child porn. It would be like a drug bust and when they talk about what the cops removed from the home all they mention is "prescription drugs, guns, ammunition" - none of which is necessarily illegal but all of which makes folks reading it go "oooh"
The cops are generally pretty careful about the info they give to the media and this time all of what they admit to taking from the home could be legal items. That's my point that can be found in many homes across the nation.
I see what your getting at now. It is strange that they didn't mention actually finding child porn but listed everything else. All of which is legal. Maybe it is a computer type child porn thing and they are waiting to see what is on the computer. Funny thing is, last time I saw a story about a child porn bust, they did mention taking a computer into custody. It will be interesting to read what comes of all this and why they thought he had child porn to begin with. Many of the child porn cases are sting operations. maybe they are not wanting to mention they are setting people up.
I agree they were very specific about the guns but very vague about the porn. For all we know, it's self-shot pictures a 17 year old girl sent him. Maybe he met the girl on vacation in Cambodia.
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:33 pm
by rp_photo
smoothoperator wrote:I agree they were very specific about the guns but very vague about the porn. For all we know, it's self-shot pictures a 17 year old girl sent him. Maybe he met the girl on vacation in Cambodia.
The term "Child porn" is too broadly applied, much like "Sex offender", "Hate Crime", and "Terrorist".
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:18 pm
by C-dub
I'm not quite to 50k yet, so yeah. I'm currently up to only about 1,500.
For you guys with as much or MORE, how high will you stack your boxes? I'm curious about the whole set-back issue and if stacking them too high can cause this with the round in the lower boxes.
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:58 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
C-dub wrote:I'm not quite to 50k yet, so yeah. I'm currently up to only about 1,500.
For you guys with as much or MORE, how high will you stack your boxes? I'm curious about the whole set-back issue and if stacking them too high can cause this with the round in the lower boxes.
I can worn you that the ammo will get heavier than the shelving it is stack on. You put a few hundred rounds on the shelves at a time and you don't realize how heavy it is getting until one night your watching TV and the whole load collapses the shelving. It sounds like someone is coming through the wall of your house with a truck. After you clean yourself up, you will realize that reinforcing the shelving is a must...LOL. That is my ammo horders "tip of the day".
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:02 pm
by rp_photo
rp_photo wrote:
The term "Child porn" is too broadly applied, much like "Sex offender", "Hate Crime", and "Terrorist".
Or "Assualt rifle"
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:08 pm
by speedsix
...a few more facts to clog the mind...
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http://government.tmcnet.com/news/2012/ ... 124069.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:09 am
by Thomas
First link says "literature about terrorist organizations, including Al-Qaeda". Pretty vague, maybe it's an article from The Houston Chronicle?
Second link says "suspicious literature". I guess it must have been The New York Times after all
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:14 am
by speedsix
...given the world we live in, only an idiot would not have been suspicious, finding ANY literature relating to terrorism, his travel history, and a large amount of weapons...which, after a thorough investigation, may prove to be nothing at all...we've tried the "ignoring it" route...that cost us over 3000 lives...
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:20 am
by speedsix
rp_photo wrote:The attempts to tie gun ownership with child pornography are predictable and pathetic.
...the FACTS that a child porn criminal is so heavily armed are alarming...just like it would be alarming to find such a large amount of weapons and ammo in a drug house...or a smuggler's den...or a bank robber's hideout...felons and guns are tied together...and pose a great danger to us all...but they'll have that all tidied up in short order...
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:22 am
by MadMonkey
speedsix wrote:rp_photo wrote:The attempts to tie gun ownership with child pornography are predictable and pathetic.
...the FACTS that a child porn criminal is so heavily armed are alarming...just like it would be alarming to find such a large amount of weapons and ammo in a drug house...or a smuggler's den...or a bank robber's hideout...felons and guns are tied together...and pose a great danger to us all...but they'll have that all tidied up in short order...
I must have missed the evidence that proved he was a child pornographer... if they're that intent on focusing on how many guns he had, they usually don't have a whole lot else to go on so they attempt to demonize the gun ownership.
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:11 am
by 03Lightningrocks
The story said he was caught red handed uploading child porn. As usual we find ourselves stretching to the end of the universe to find an argument.
I cannot believe anyone on this forum is acting as if this child predator is somehow representative of gun owner rights. He is a sick piece of garbage and that is why they are making an issue of the guns and the terrorist literature in his home. This was not an evil attempt by "the man" to demonize legitimate gun owners. For Christs sake!!! How about we all put down our tin foil hats for a minute and see this pervert for what he is!
I don't care if he hasn't been technically tried and convicted. If I watch a guy rape a woman I don't say he is innocent because he has not been technically convicted. That would just be ignorant!
HE WAS CAUGHT UPLOADING CHILD PORN,,, RED HANDED AND BUCK NAKED!!! How about we quit acting like he is somehow a victim. It is embarrassing to all legitimate gun owners. A sick pervert is stock piling weapons and ammo while studying terrorism! I call that news!!!
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:47 am
by Jumping Frog
MadMonkey wrote:I must have missed the evidence that proved he was a child pornographer...
Well the news account is pretty darn specific. What more do you want, to review the evidence personally to see if you believe it?
The investigators said they found sexually explicit videos involving children in the home.
"The defendant (Kong) knew that the visual material depicted a child engaging in said sexual conduct," the criminal complaint against him stated.
Kong was taken into custody and has been charged with five counts of possessing child pornography.
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:57 am
by MadMonkey
Ah, I didn't read the story originally (internet is slow here and I was going off what I read in the thread). Sorry.
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:23 pm
by speedsix
...you gotta lift up the chicken to see what she's cacklin' 'bout, man...or you may miss out on breakfast!!!
Re: Is 50,000 rounds too much?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:36 pm
by Lambda Force
MadMonkey wrote:Ah, I didn't read the story originally (internet is slow here and I was going off what I read in the thread). Sorry.
For the record, here was the original blog post before it was edited.
A child pornography raid by Harris County sheriff’s deputies Wednesday afternnon escalated to include a massive cache of weapons and literature that drew the attention of federal anti-terrorism agents.
In addition to porn, authorities discovered 65 weapons and 50,000 rounds of ammunition in the home in the 16800 block of Gaelic Lane, KHOU-TV reports on its website. James Lee Kong, 26, faces five counts of child porn.
Sheriff’s investigators said Kong had recently traveled to Afghanistan, Cambodia and Thailand. FBI sources tell KHOU that the suspect literature appeared to have no connection to terrorism.