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03Lightningrocks wrote:

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Pretty good reason. If someone would have been armed with a medium to high powered carbine perhaps 18 innocent people would not have been shot.

Bad example. Pure speculation to say what "could have happened". Besides, those guys were shot with everything from high powered rifles to handguns and kept right on going. An armed citizen trying to play batman would have simply increased the innocent killed count to 19.

Something like this example might be a more appropriate link for what actually happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Mark Allen Wilson tried to intervene and succeeded in doing nothing more than losing his life.

And he used what type of carbine to intervene?

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Pretty good reason. If someone would have been armed with a medium to high powered carbine perhaps 18 innocent people would not have been shot.

Bad example. Pure speculation to say what "could have happened". Besides, those guys were shot with everything from high powered rifles to handguns and kept right on going. An armed citizen trying to play batman would have simply increased the innocent killed count to 19.

Something like this example might be a more appropriate link for what actually happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Mark Allen Wilson tried to intervene and succeeded in doing nothing more than losing his life.

And he used what type of carbine to intervene?

The same one as the ghost in your example. The point is... a citizen trying to play batman may just end up dead.

You pull up that pistol to run for that AK/AR! To engage a gunman with rifle with a pistol is a toll order.

Video of the shoot-out: http://www.yourdailymedia.com/video/watch/4270/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

03Lightningrocks wrote:Mark Allen Wilson tried to intervene and succeeded in doing nothing more than losing his life.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting]Tyler courthouse shooting — Wikipedia[/url] [emphasis added] wrote:Mark Wilson has been widely credited as heroic for his selfless actions, which are widely believed to have caused Arroyo to cease his attack and flee the area without murdering his son. On March 31, 2005, the Texas House unanimously adopted resolution (HR. 740) to honor Wilson and the Texas State Rifle Association honored Wilson by publishing an account of his actions.

Seems like he succeeded in saving a boy's life, which to me ranks a bit higher than "nothing". For a number of reasons (most or all of which have been debated here in the various "should I get involved" threads) I wouldn't necessarily advocate Mark Allen's course of action (and the article went on to say, "The incident also raised concerns about the implications of well-meaning citizens becoming involved in police activities."), but you can't seriously be saying that he didn't succeed in anything.

Dave2 wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Mark Allen Wilson tried to intervene and succeeded in doing nothing more than losing his life.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting]Tyler courthouse shooting — Wikipedia[/url] [emphasis added] wrote:Mark Wilson has been widely credited as heroic for his selfless actions, which are widely believed to have caused Arroyo to cease his attack and flee the area without murdering his son. On March 31, 2005, the Texas House unanimously adopted resolution (HR. 740) to honor Wilson and the Texas State Rifle Association honored Wilson by publishing an account of his actions.

Seems like he succeeded in saving a boy's life, which to me ranks a bit higher than "nothing". For a number of reasons (most or all of which have been debated here in the various "should I get involved" threads) I wouldn't necessarily advocate Mark Allen's course of action (and the article went on to say, "The incident also raised concerns about the implications of well-meaning citizens becoming involved in police activities."), but you can't seriously be saying that he didn't succeed in anything.

You are correct... I shouldn't have said for nothing. He did save the kids life.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Pretty good reason. If someone would have been armed with a medium to high powered carbine perhaps 18 innocent people would not have been shot.

Bad example. Pure speculation to say what "could have happened". Besides, those guys were shot with everything from high powered rifles to handguns and kept right on going. An armed citizen trying to play batman would have simply increased the innocent killed count to 19.

Something like this example might be a more appropriate link for what actually happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Mark Allen Wilson tried to intervene and succeeded in doing nothing more than losing his life.

...his .45 didn't match that AK real well...but he had backbone enough to try...did you know that after 9/11, several known terrorists in our country bragged about plans to pull the same things in our elementary schools that they did in Russia...don't tell me there's no need for some of us who'll step up to have more firepower to reach for than just handguns...if you don't believe it, you'll be one of them that's gettin' out of our way!!! Have any experience with riots??? They start spontaneously...you might have to fight your way home Monday...carry what you will or don't, but don't ridicule those who are more informed about how fast it can go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past what a handgun can get you out of...that's the beauty of choice...you make yours...the next one makes his...I'll fight by him, thank you...I like his AR, AK, or even 870 nearby if it goes nuts one fine morning...everytime someone posts here about his battle rifle and many mags in the car...I get this warm and fuzzy feeling...

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Salty1 wrote:Noticing that you have Arlington as your place of residence makes me wonder why you feel that having a carbine in your car would be of value. Personally unless your an LEO, if I was in my car my handgun and the gas pedal would get me out of virtually any situation that I would encounter. care to explain a bit more?

I was wondering about the same thing. Maybe the "zombie apocalypse" ?

So... after reading a couple of the responses. It appears that a few in here plan to intervene as police officers. Like I said in an earlier post. Be careful when you do. There is a good chance the police, as well as the bad guys will both be shooting at you.

For those that do it in case "the end is nigh".... I sure hope you turn out to be wrong...LOL.

...you're ill-informed...there have been several cases where a citizen's rifle was used BY THE POLICE to stop the problem...I personally know an officer that a citizen who showed up with a long gun saved his life...it's your right to choose to stay out of the way...but what gives you the right to ridicule those citizens who don't mind stepping up and helping? answer=nothing...

speedsix wrote:...you're ill-informed...there have been several cases where a citizen's rifle was used BY THE POLICE to stop the problem...I personally know an officer that a citizen who showed up with a long gun saved his life...it's your right to choose to stay out of the way...but what gives you the right to ridicule those citizens who don't mind stepping up and helping? answer=nothing...

The same thing that protects your right to speak in opposition. The First Amendment is hardly nothing.

speedsix wrote:...you're ill-informed......

Really??? It has nothing to do with how "informed" a person is. So you think the cops are not going to flip out seeing a cowboy running around the scene of a shooting in progress with a semi automatic rifle??? You betcha!

Nobody ridiculed anyone. If you are feeling silly because of what I posted, I can't help that one bit!

I'm old enough to remember when Charles Whitman was killing innocent people from the UT tower. It was private citizens with deer rifles that slowed that rampage down until police could get up there and kill him.

Many lives were saved that day because of armed citizens shooting back at the bad guy.

...of course...legally speaking...what I was alluding to is how those who choose NOT to carry a long gun would feel if those of us who DO were to make equally desparaging remarks about their choice...spoken a little more sharply, we should make our own choices(which is our business) and keep our mouths shut about the choices others may make...there's a much greater chance of a responsible citizen doing well with his rifle or shotgun than there is of him/her getting into trouble with it...and a better than slim chance that they'll save the bacon of someone who mocked and ridiculed them someday...but if mocking others is what turns some folks on...I don't look for it to cease...

03Lightningrocks wrote:

speedsix wrote:...you're ill-informed......

Really??? It has nothing to do with how "informed" a person is. So you think the cops are not going to flip out seeing a cowboy running around the scene of a shooting in progress with a semi automatic rifle??? You betcha!

Nobody ridiculed anyone. If you are feeling silly because of what I posted, I can't help that one bit!

...you don't give our LEOs much credit for having good sense...the worst response I've experienced or heard of another responsible citizen experiencing when helping stop a serious problem has been "Thanks, Buddy!!!" I guess you travel in different circles..."Zombie" and "batman" comments are regarded as insulting and ridiculing amongst the men I associate with...many of which are highly trained ex-cops and military...who've stepped up and put their butts on the line more than a few times...guess you don't understand that, either...this country wasn't started, preserved, or settled by folks who wouldn't take a hand to stop evil...thank God!!!

speedsix wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

speedsix wrote:...you're ill-informed......

Really??? It has nothing to do with how "informed" a person is. So you think the cops are not going to flip out seeing a cowboy running around the scene of a shooting in progress with a semi automatic rifle??? You betcha!

Nobody ridiculed anyone. If you are feeling silly because of what I posted, I can't help that one bit!

...you don't give our LEOs much credit for having good sense...the worst response I've experienced or heard of another responsible citizen experiencing when helping stop a serious problem has been "Thanks, Buddy!!!" I guess you travel in different circles..."Zombie" and "batman" comments are regarded as insulting and ridiculing amongst the men I associate with...many of which are highly trained ex-cops and military...who've stepped up and put their butts on the line more than a few times...guess you don't understand that, either...this country wasn't started, preserved, or settled by folks who wouldn't take a hand to stop evil...thank God!!!

Get off your soap box! You are reading far more into this thing than there is and as usual, not making any sense what so ever!

This is getting a little bit ridiculous. If you two want to continue your little discussion, please do so via PM, so this thread can get back on track.