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Looks faked to me. I have seen dogs wagging their tail when playing with a ball or chew toy with their owner. Do they wag their tail the same way when attacking someone?

speedsix wrote:...I don't think "might even work" fits AndyC's technique...the people who taught him know more about fighting than I do about eating ice cream...you can report back to us on how your theories work out...I'll stick with what the pros do...

Your unnecessary snarkiness notwithstanding, I didn't pretend to be an expert and have already said that I've never had to defend myself against a dog. You, however, made a very direct statement that would indicate that you have some expert knowledge in this area:

speedsix wrote:not only would gouging his eyes out enrage him, but it wouldn't make him let go...

My first observation to that statement is that I wouldn't worry about enraging a dog that's already chewing on my arm. I'd say that by that point it's already plenty enraged. Second, I asked you a question. Based on what do you claim that gouging eyes out would be totally ineffective? And if so, then why would pepperspray or stabbing it in the eye work?

...I'm not going to engage in pages of point by point back and forth with you...if you want to learn...there are pros out there who will tell you what works and what doesn't...instead of changing what we say here(elbow) or making comments like " might even work" when professional advice is shared...you might check into those who make a living in the field...that's what we did...and try your discussion technique with them...I'm done here...

Well, you fixate on something irrelevant (elbow/forearm - who cares? doesn't change the substance), basically imply that I'm pretending to be an expert when it's you who made the authoritative comments, constantly keep using "we" instead of "I" to give yourself some kind of collective support, and then ignore a question you don't like and scurry off.

I don't know what side of the bed you got up on this morning, but I'd say someone's a little too tightly wound up today.

I wasn't being snarky with you at all, you just started that up all on your own for no reason. Who was it that said "if you don't start none then there won't be none?"

OK guys break it up.

I have known about “Andy’s method” for about 35 years. I have never had to use it myself but I know for a fact, if you do it right, it works. You will get hurt, but it works.

I also have a good friend that made a rather large dog stop his attack by grabbing the dog’s head, sticking his thumb in the dog’s eye and pushing hard.

Drop the arguing and discuss civilly.

AndyC wrote:If you're unarmed and get bitten or go to the ground, ram your forearm as deep into the dog's jaws as possible. Slam your free forearm behind the dog's neck and pull down hard with that one while pushing up and backwards with the bitten arm in a rapid upwards "snapping" motion to break the dog's neck. An alternative to the snap is a series of throat punches with the free fist - whatever works for you.

Similarly, I actually once rammed my fist down a dog's throat as far as I could get it when it opened its mouth to get ahold of my forearm. I kept pushing my fist down into its gullet until the dog started choking and let go. I gave it a swift kick when it let go. After that the dog didn't want any part of me. If you're aggressive enough (and in good enough shape, which I was back then), it is sometimes possible to force the dog to realize that it has just picked a fight with an animal that outweighs it by 2 or 3 times that is more aggressive than it is. All of a sudden, it realizes that it has become prey instead of hunter, and its fight will turn into flee.

This is not something that I would necessarily try again today unless I had no other alternative, but then.....I didn't carry guns back then, so I did what I had to do.

george wrote:One dog, okay

Two dogs, and you're in a lot of trouble.

Yep.

A lot depends on the dog or dogs. Physically, there is a lot of difference between a heeler or average sized pit and a large rott or mastiff. The number of dogs also matters greatly. If you can deal with pain smaller dogs are much less of a threat. With larger and more powerful breeds, the odds of them getting you to the ground go up greatly. Bites to the arms and legs are one thing but once on the ground you are much more vulnerable, especially to multiple dogs. I have always thought that against a single determined dog that sacrificing the weak hand forearm to pin the dog so that you can either go after the throat or slam it's head against asphalt or concrete was a reasonable tactic.

A few things to consider...

The dog that bows up and barks or growls at you usually doesn't want to fight. He is trying to scare you off.

The dog that doesn't bark or growl is often much more of a threat.

Dogs are predators and predators prey on the weak. Projecting strength which in some cases means being aggressive will sometimes change the animals mind.

The Annoyed Man wrote:If you're aggressive enough (and in good enough shape, which I was back then), it is sometimes possible to force the dog to realize that it has just picked a fight with an animal that outweighs it by 2 or 3 times that is more aggressive than it is. All of a sudden, it realizes that it has become prey instead of hunter, and its fight will turn into flee.