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ghostrider wrote:

I guess I missed it when WWB become low quality. I know it's not good quality defense ammo, but I thought it was pretty good range ammo and haven't had any problems with it.

depends on the gun. I wouldn't say its low quality but for some guns it may not be powerful enough to reliably cycle.
If I have to buy 9mm factory (CHL test, for example) I will usually go with Federal American Eagle FMJ.

WWB comes in at least a couple different grains for each caliber. The problem persists even when using the higher power or equal power of WWB versus something else that's "better?"

WWB comes in at least a couple different grains for each caliber. The problem persists even when using the higher power or equal power of WWB versus something else that's "better?"

sorry, can't say as far as the cheaper stuff goes. I've only ever used 115gr FMJ WWB, so I don't know if any of the other stuff is better. I mostly reload. However, at least one forum indicated that WWB JHP 'personal protection' ammunition was good, but I can neither confirm or deny. I *think* there is a WWB '9mm NATO' load (124gr) available in WWB; that may be fine.


I carry Winchester 180gr 40 S&W Bonded; it comes in a white box, but its a completely different animal :-)

I have also used the WWB JHP when the FMJ target ammo was not available. It's a little more $$, but not too much. Other than being JHP I don't know if it's any better than the FMJ al long as we're talking about WWB. But, I don't have one of those temperamental guns. Glock on!

AndyC wrote:Gotta admit, C-dub, that, with as many companies out there making clones of the 1911 design as there are, tolerance-stacking is becoming a real issue these days. Guys who run 1911s would absolutely benefit from going a bit deeper into how it works, just to be able to "self-help" on any possible frustrations.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I was looking at Glocks to see if I could find one I liked... but I guess I have Glockoma....

Yeah, I guess it is similar to the problem folks with purebred dogs run into. Purebreds have more health problems than mutts. Meaning that the more humans tinker with something to try and make it better can only lead to problems due to the higher level of complexity or refinement.

I had that problem with one of my 1911s one time. It was a new Wilson mag, ended up being a bad spring. Wilson sent me a new one and it's been fine.

C-dub wrote:

AndyC wrote:Gotta admit, C-dub, that, with as many companies out there making clones of the 1911 design as there are, tolerance-stacking is becoming a real issue these days. Guys who run 1911s would absolutely benefit from going a bit deeper into how it works, just to be able to "self-help" on any possible frustrations.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I was looking at Glocks to see if I could find one I liked... but I guess I have Glockoma....

Yeah, I guess it is similar to the problem folks with purebred dogs run into. Purebreds have more health problems than mutts. Meaning that the more humans tinker with something to try and make it better can only lead to problems due to the higher level of complexity or refinement.

Interesting analogy.

WildBill wrote:

C-dub wrote:

AndyC wrote:Gotta admit, C-dub, that, with as many companies out there making clones of the 1911 design as there are, tolerance-stacking is becoming a real issue these days. Guys who run 1911s would absolutely benefit from going a bit deeper into how it works, just to be able to "self-help" on any possible frustrations.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I was looking at Glocks to see if I could find one I liked... but I guess I have Glockoma....

Yeah, I guess it is similar to the problem folks with purebred dogs run into. Purebreds have more health problems than mutts. Meaning that the more humans tinker with something to try and make it better can only lead to problems due to the higher level of complexity or refinement.

Interesting analogy.

I'm a dog guy. I've had them all my life and trained them for all kinds of things for more than 30 years at some of the highest levels possible. A GSD helped me learn how to walk when I was 6 months old. Ironically, now when I run and play with them all they try to do is trip me up and take me down. They think that is great fun!

C-dub wrote:

WildBill wrote:

C-dub wrote:

AndyC wrote:Gotta admit, C-dub, that, with as many companies out there making clones of the 1911 design as there are, tolerance-stacking is becoming a real issue these days. Guys who run 1911s would absolutely benefit from going a bit deeper into how it works, just to be able to "self-help" on any possible frustrations.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I was looking at Glocks to see if I could find one I liked... but I guess I have Glockoma....

Yeah, I guess it is similar to the problem folks with purebred dogs run into. Purebreds have more health problems than mutts. Meaning that the more humans tinker with something to try and make it better can only lead to problems due to the higher level of complexity or refinement.

Interesting analogy.

I'm a dog guy. I've had them all my life and trained them for all kinds of things for more than 30 years at some of the highest levels possible. A GSD helped me learn how to walk when I was 6 months old. Ironically, now when I run and play with them all they try to do is trip me up and take me down. They think that is great fun!

A friend of mine is a dog gal. All of her mutts had fewer health problems and lived much longer than her purebreeds.

But the analogy holds true. The more complex or refined something is the more likely it is to have problems. Your basic rock solid 1911 won't have problems like that and will probably cycle just about anything you feed it. Same with Glocks. Start messing with either one and making tolerances tighter or tricking things up and you'll start having problems.

C-dub wrote:But the analogy holds true. The more complex or refined something is the more likely it is to have problems. Your basic rock solid 1911 won't have problems like that and will probably cycle just about anything you feed it. Same with Glocks. Start messing with either one and making tolerances tighter or tricking things up and you'll start having problems.

I could see that. I've had 2 1911s, both "basic" RIA guns. Lots and lots of rounds through them, and the only hiccup I ever had was traced to a faulty magazine.

I have said often that a RIA makes a great carry pistol, if left alone. Not the prettiest but it will run all day long.

rm9792 wrote:I have said often that a RIA makes a great carry pistol, if left alone. Not the prettiest but it will run all day long.

Love mine. My one regret is getting the GI instead of the tactical model. Those GI sights are D-I-N-K-Y. One day I'll get around to getting nice sights put on it. For now, I'm young enough I can still see the smaller sights, so I'm happy.