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jimlongley wrote: When I challenged much of the dogma puked up by our history teachers, such as Custer was commanding the ENTIRE 7th Cavalry (he was a battalion commander, not the regiment's)

As an ex-cavalryman (10th U.S. Cavalry), everything I've ever read said Custer commanded the entire 7th Cavalry Regiment, but broke up into 3 Squadrons (the Cavalry equivalent of a Battalion) at Little Big Horn, of which he personally took charge of one. From the book, "THE SEVENTH REGIMENT OF CAVALRY," By MAJOR E. A. GARLINGTON, INSPECTOR GENERAL, U. S. A., " Custer divided his regiment into three squadrons; one, of five troops, he commanded himself, the other two, of three troops each, were commanded by Reno and Benteen respectively."

The Unit History of the 7th Cavalry confirms this fact.

http://www.us7thcavalry.com/7-cav-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd be interested in a source that disputes the above.

I was fortunate that in my day high school teachers actually were familiar with the subjects they taught and stuck to the curriculum with a modicum of open discussion. A couple of them I became friends with and one is still a close friend (now retired Phd college professor). I did have one history teacher with whom I had a running dialogue and disagreement regarding the KKK, which he viewed as a sort of innocuous political movement. I remember taking ten question essay test which I failed because he gave me a -40 points for one question he took issue with. I asked how a ten question test would be -40 for one "wrong" answer instead of -10? He said because he's the teacher. He failed me that semester, which I made up in summer school with a A.

I admit to having a sketchy view of politics when I was in high school but I ran afoul of a teacher over what I did have in the way of opinions. A couple of my classmates were rabid Goldwater supporters. I wasn't. They asked the have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife type of question of the rest of us as "are you for Barry or are you a Communist?" When I told them I wasn't a Goldwater supporter, they went to our government class teacher and told him that I was a Communist. The teacher proceeded to tear me apart in front of the next class without ever giving me a chance to explain how I had gotten that label. The teacher, too, was a rabid Goldwater supporter. It was not a surprise to me that I ended up with detention in his class the following week, even though that was the only such punishment that I ever got in high school. I just wasn't a troublemaker in any way. There was no tolerance for opposing ideas in any of the classes in the school and thinking for yourself was definitely discouraged.

Later, when I was a teacher myself, I taught music at all levels. I was in elementary buildings as well as junior and senior high for multiple years. I was appalled that the license that many of the teachers were given to use the classrooms as a pulpit for their own political beliefs - and the school district was not even a union one.

Today, I have a friend who has a doctorate in music. He is looking for a college position and is well qualified. He has to keep his Conservative political views in the closet because if any of the music school administrations ever got wind of them, he'd never get a job in his chosen field. There is no freedom of speech for him.

I do believe that the current Regime has taken the intolerance to a new level and that many like the teacher in the OP link are emboldened to push the limits. The problem of teacher political tyranny has always been with us but without a check or a balance, it is taking on a new level of attempting subjugation.

I'm just so proud that such a well educated, well spoken beacon of success is educating the kids. No wonder we have the finest educational system and the highest test scores in the world.

Crossfire wrote:You guys amaze me. When I was in high school, I was still blissfully unaware that my teachers (or my parents) could possibly be wrong about anything. I believed pretty much everything that fell out of their mouths. Well, maybe not my parents...

It wasn't until I was on my own, and paying bills and taxes, that I slowly came to the realization that I was not a democrat, after all.

Hey, I may be slow, but I DID eventually get there!

I'll never forget the first time my son got a real paycheck with itemized withholding. Boy was he PO'd.

I was a democrat until 1996 when I switched parties because the democrat party had moved so far to the left. And also, as I aged I became increasingly conservative....so it was a little of both. Lately, I self-identify as a conservative more than as a republican......the republican party being increasingly such a disappointment at the national level over the past decade or so. What's interesting to me is that I also tend to self-identify as a populist, which tends to irritate some of my fellow conservatives. But, I'm not a populist in the sense of "progressive." Rather, I'm a populist in the sense that I take fully to heart the originalist interpretation of the Constitution—which says that those powers not specifically granted to the federal government by The People, reside in the several states and with The People. I'm not advocating for a system different than the original representative democracy in the form of a republic as founded by our forefathers. What I am advocating is a return to those founding principles in which The People controlled a limited government rather than the other way around, where a bloated government controls The People.

I was just watching Fox and Friends do a segment on this.

According to what was said, the teacher said something like "if Bush were President and you disrespected him, he definitely would have put you in jail".

The host's comment was "if that were true, the Dixie Chicks would be doing 30 years hard labor."

G26ster wrote:

jimlongley wrote: When I challenged much of the dogma puked up by our history teachers, such as Custer was commanding the ENTIRE 7th Cavalry (he was a battalion commander, not the regiment's)

As an ex-cavalryman (10th U.S. Cavalry), everything I've ever read said Custer commanded the entire 7th Cavalry Regiment, but broke up into 3 Squadrons (the Cavalry equivalent of a Battalion) at Little Big Horn, of which he personally took charge of one. From the book, "THE SEVENTH REGIMENT OF CAVALRY," By MAJOR E. A. GARLINGTON, INSPECTOR GENERAL, U. S. A., " Custer divided his regiment into three squadrons; one, of five troops, he commanded himself, the other two, of three troops each, were commanded by Reno and Benteen respectively."

The Unit History of the 7th Cavalry confirms this fact.

http://www.us7thcavalry.com/7-cav-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd be interested in a source that disputes the above.

The book I'm reading right now says otherwise (The Last Stand by Nathaniel Philbrick) ....but "commanded" may be a matter of semantics. Colonel Samuel Sturgis was actually in command of the Regiment, but had pretty much delegated his command to Custer. This site calls Custer the XO and "field commander."http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/C ... 35146.html

VMI77 wrote:

G26ster wrote:

jimlongley wrote: When I challenged much of the dogma puked up by our history teachers, such as Custer was commanding the ENTIRE 7th Cavalry (he was a battalion commander, not the regiment's)

As an ex-cavalryman (10th U.S. Cavalry), everything I've ever read said Custer commanded the entire 7th Cavalry Regiment, but broke up into 3 Squadrons (the Cavalry equivalent of a Battalion) at Little Big Horn, of which he personally took charge of one. From the book, "THE SEVENTH REGIMENT OF CAVALRY," By MAJOR E. A. GARLINGTON, INSPECTOR GENERAL, U. S. A., " Custer divided his regiment into three squadrons; one, of five troops, he commanded himself, the other two, of three troops each, were commanded by Reno and Benteen respectively."

The Unit History of the 7th Cavalry confirms this fact.

http://www.us7thcavalry.com/7-cav-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd be interested in a source that disputes the above.

The book I'm reading right now says otherwise (The Last Stand by Nathaniel Philbrick) ....but "commanded" may be a matter of semantics. Colonel Samuel Sturgis was actually in command of the Regiment, but had pretty much delegated his command to Custer. This site calls Custer the XO and "field commander."http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/C ... 35146.html

Yes, it's semantics. I'm surprised Sturgis' name is not more prominent, but then we know how "legends are born." Thanks for the link.

I cannot believe that they suspended this teacher WITH PAY! Unions are doing such a great job. Where else can you screw up enough to get to stay home and collect your normal paycheck. Nice message this sends to the students: Do and say what you want with no negative repercussions.

i8godzilla wrote:I cannot believe that they suspended this teacher WITH PAY! Unions are doing such a great job. Where else can you screw up enough to get to stay home and collect your normal paycheck. Nice message this sends to the students: Do and say what you want with no negative repercussions.

And I'll be willing to bet that at the very worst, the teacher will be transferred to another school, and even that much would not have happened if this had not gone viral.

G26ster wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

G26ster wrote:

jimlongley wrote: When I challenged much of the dogma puked up by our history teachers, such as Custer was commanding the ENTIRE 7th Cavalry (he was a battalion commander, not the regiment's)

As an ex-cavalryman (10th U.S. Cavalry), everything I've ever read said Custer commanded the entire 7th Cavalry Regiment, but broke up into 3 Squadrons (the Cavalry equivalent of a Battalion) at Little Big Horn, of which he personally took charge of one. From the book, "THE SEVENTH REGIMENT OF CAVALRY," By MAJOR E. A. GARLINGTON, INSPECTOR GENERAL, U. S. A., " Custer divided his regiment into three squadrons; one, of five troops, he commanded himself, the other two, of three troops each, were commanded by Reno and Benteen respectively."

The Unit History of the 7th Cavalry confirms this fact.

http://www.us7thcavalry.com/7-cav-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd be interested in a source that disputes the above.

The book I'm reading right now says otherwise (The Last Stand by Nathaniel Philbrick) ....but "commanded" may be a matter of semantics. Colonel Samuel Sturgis was actually in command of the Regiment, but had pretty much delegated his command to Custer. This site calls Custer the XO and "field commander."http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/C ... 35146.html

Yes, it's semantics. I'm surprised Sturgis' name is not more prominent, but then we know how "legends are born." Thanks for the link.

And Custer was operating under General Terry and failed to follow his orders at the time. Since my great grandfather was heavily involved before and after (he was Cavalry from 1864 to 1899, if you include his time as an instructor at West Point) I have a great deal of personal knowledge that never made it into the history books. My cousin wrote a book: "Letters from the Field: John Sylvanus Loud and the Pine Ridge Campaign of 1890-1891," that gives some of the follow up based on his letters to his wife and daughter, my grandmother.

Custer was not the regimental commander, he was a squadron or battalion commander and executive officer, and acting as commander of that part of the regiment attached to Terry's command, including his own "Custer Battalion" and was not likely to ever become regimental commander because he would have to wait for Sturgis to retire or die. Sturgis retired in 1886.

Sturgis' son James was killed in the battle, Sturgis re-assumed personal command of the 7th and became vengeful, according to my grandmother's memories. Sturgis' other son, Samuel continued the Army tradition, as did his son Samuel. Sturgis was a friend of my great grandfather, and his grandson was a close friend of my grandfather in the Pacific during WWII.

I'm confused (again). Did Custer get arrested for talking badly about Obama? When did THAT happen?

sjfcontrol wrote:I'm confused (again). Did Custer get arrested for talking badly about Obama? When did THAT happen?

LMAO

sjfcontrol wrote:I'm confused (again). Did Custer get arrested for talking badly about Obama? When did THAT happen?

I bet if you go and read one of those newly-adjusted Presidential bios, it might now have that info...

Heartland Patriot wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:I'm confused (again). Did Custer get arrested for talking badly about Obama? When did THAT happen?

I bet if you go and read one of those newly-adjusted Presidential bios, it might now have that info...

I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps Obama fought on the side of the indians (er, ahh, Native Americans), so he not only got Bin Laden, he got Custer, too!