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Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:57 pm
by Carry-a-Kimber
Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:09 pm
by WildBill
Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
I pay my car registration to the county, but DPS can cite me if I don't show proof of registration.

Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:11 pm
by Carry-a-Kimber
WildBill wrote:Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
I pay my car registration to the county, but DPS can cite me if I don't show proof of registration.

Regisration is required by the state.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:14 pm
by WildBill
Carry-a-Kimber wrote:WildBill wrote:Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
I pay my car registration to the county, but DPS can cite me if I don't show proof of registration.

Regisration is required by the state.
But the Texas DMV is a different agency than the DPS.
Carry-a-Kimber You may be correct, but I will need to research it some more.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:19 pm
by Carry-a-Kimber
WildBill wrote:Carry-a-Kimber wrote:WildBill wrote:Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
I pay my car registration to the county, but DPS can cite me if I don't show proof of registration.

Regisration is required by the state.
But the Texas DMV is a different agency than the DPS.
Carry-a-Kimber You may be correct, but I will need to research it some more.
Me too.

Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:52 pm
by texas297
Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
Well seeing as how a silencer is classified as a prohibitive weapon in Texas, I'd recommend having it. They may beat the charge, but not the ride. Not trying to argue symantics here, just don't want to see some of you all get arrested. Most cops are pro guns, but there are some that aren't and less knowledgable.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:00 pm
by Carry-a-Kimber
texas297 wrote:Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
Well seeing as how a silencer is classified as a prohibitive weapon in Texas, I'd recommend having it. They may beat the charge, but not the ride. Not trying to argue symantics here, just don't want to see some of you all get arrested. Most cops are pro guns, but there are some that aren't and less knowledgable.
No argument there, always keep a copy of the stamp with the Title II item.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:51 pm
by alvins
you guys and your tin foil hat arguements. this thread is not about someones narrow interpretation of the law.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:11 pm
by Jumping Frog
Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Don't have time right now to be super specific but only a BATFE agent has the authority to request an NFA stamp because they are the agency the tax is paid to. Kinda like a constable can't ask to see your W2s to prove you paid your federal income tax, it's not their jurisdiction.
That is may be true if you are being charged with an NFA violation at the federal level. However, Texas Peace Officer can give you the choice between getting arrested under Texas law, or showing him your tax stamp as your defense against Texas charges. The two situations are not mutually exclusive.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:42 pm
by Slowplay
alvins wrote:you guys and your tin foil hat arguements. this thread is not about someones narrow interpretation of the law.

I think you got your answer (carry a copy of your paperwork with the suppressor - pretty simple). I didn't catch the "tin foil hat arguments," just some pedantic outlier discussions (that you might care about if you don't carry your paperwork and/or have a difficult LEO encounter).
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:15 pm
by alvins
ofcourse i got my answer thats all i need minus this comments about people who still think they are illegal.hence my comment about peoples narrow interpretation of the law.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:02 pm
by rm9792
I have commented before about people spouting off and having no clue about the subject. I wonder if the LEO would notice the SBR mine is attached to?
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:07 pm
by texas297
rm9792 wrote:I have commented before about people spouting off and having no clue about the subject. I wonder if the LEO would notice the SBR mine is attached to?
I'll take that challenge.
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 pm
by rm9792
I expect a LEO from this board would notice but does the average LEO look for SBR's?
Re: supressor paperwork
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:27 pm
by JeepGuy79
I have never ever ever been asked anything about my NFA stuff by a cop except at the range asking if they can shoot it. I carry copies of my stamps with the the items. Like if you have a SBR AR fold up the paper and stick it in the bottom of a vert foregrip or in the bag for your can. That way it is always with you. I know guys that keep business card shrunk down ones in their wallet. I don't want to get my wallet stolen and have that info out there myself.
You do not have to show your stamp to anyone but a ATF agent or an IRS agent. If a cop asked me about it I would show it to him just to avoid headache and to not give him a hard time. Don't forget if you take it over state lines to fill out your 5320.20 ahead of time. congrats on the new can!!!