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sawdust wrote:So, justifiable homicides are on the increase? Would that statistic imply that consequently there are fewer murders to report?

No... Although related, there is not a cause/effect relationship between the two.
Also... "Justifiable homicides" can be up a whopping 100% on a very small base while an equal quantity of reduced murders won't affect the overall murder rate.

To clarify.... Assuming justifiable homicides in Chicago are very low... say... 10 last year. When that number increases to 20 you have a 100% increase in "justifiable homicides". Even if that led directly to 10 fewer murders, a decrease of 10 murders in Chicago would barely affect the statistics.

Also... A "justifiable homicide" may have prevented a carjacking or armed robbery and not a murder.

So... No.

RoyGBiv wrote:

sawdust wrote:So, justifiable homicides are on the increase? Would that statistic imply that consequently there are fewer murders to report?

No... Although related, there is not a cause/effect relationship between the two.
Also... "Justifiable homicides" can be up a whopping 100% on a very small base while an equal quantity of reduced murders won't affect the overall murder rate.

To clarify.... Assuming justifiable homicides in Chicago are very low... say... 10 last year. When that number increases to 20 you have a 100% increase in "justifiable homicides". Even if that led directly to 10 fewer murders, a decrease of 10 murders in Chicago would barely affect the statistics.

Also... A "justifiable homicide" may have prevented a carjacking or armed robbery and not a murder.

So... No.

Welllll. There you go, over-statisticalizing.

There may well be a possible/maybe one-to-one relationship; an event that was leading to a possible murder was, instead, maybe a justifiable homicide; ergo, there was one less murder to report. But that type of "statistic" is basically un-determinable as that would be an alternate universe, which cannot be fully defined.

I stand by my raw data regardless of percentages.

"But that type of "statistic" is basically un-determinable as that would be an alternate universe, which cannot be fully defined."

Ya, well, now we are in the days of "Jobs, saved or created" so you might as well just throw a dart...

“Anecdotally, it does seem that it's been more violent for police officers, whether it's armed attacks, multiple murders or just resisting and fighting,” said Bill Johnson, the executive director of the Virginia-based National Association of Police Organizations. “Suddenly, walking up to a traffic stop can become a violent encounter. I think it's a trend.”
All five people shot by police before July 1 were armed.
Two of the men slain by police this year were suicidal.

I must have missed this,

None of them had a Concealed Handgun License

Oh wait.. I guess I did not miss it. Wonder why it wasn't reported?

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