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fishman wrote:If I fear for my life..BANG

...and then, , I told you. Who's next?

I realize that we are in a so-called "stand your ground" state, and I am grateful of that.

I also realize that this is a "totality of circumstances" scenerio. Sgt. Bamsch

With that said along with the "STOP" I would also recommend moving. Moving back, sideways, or behind concealment or cover as possible. Or maybe moving somethng between us like a shopping cart or trash can. My head might not be on a swivel but I'm going to be watching for any buddies trying to flank.

bronco78 wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

bronco78 wrote:The need to deescalate is not the same as warn.. we have no requirement to warn someone we are about to use deadly force to stop a threat.. And I think a person who does so is ill advised..

Well, I agree that I am not going to warn someone that I am going to use any means of self defense. But I will -- and have -- told someone to "STOP".

Actually I don't have an issue with "Stop" I thought that was evident in what i did state above?

I was adding to your point, not disagreeing with it. We were on the same page. Sorry I wasn't clear.

Thanks for all the great responses. I also agree that saying to much or the wrong thing can get you in a lot of trouble.

I guess warning is a bad idea, just thought maybe if it could defuse the confrontation where I might not have to pull my weapon, it would be worth a try.

I would just want to make sure I did everything possible to avoid shooting someone so I could live with it if I did.

Good chance if you pull your weapon the person would stop and you would not have to shoot them anyway, hopefully.

No mistake though, I'd pull the trigger to save my life without hesitation.

Jumping Frog wrote:

bronco78 wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

bronco78 wrote:The need to deescalate is not the same as warn.. we have no requirement to warn someone we are about to use deadly force to stop a threat.. And I think a person who does so is ill advised..

Well, I agree that I am not going to warn someone that I am going to use any means of self defense. But I will -- and have -- told someone to "STOP".

Actually I don't have an issue with "Stop" I thought that was evident in what i did state above?

I was adding to your point, not disagreeing with it. We were on the same page. Sorry I wasn't clear.

That ol flat looking text, no visual or verbal clues problem..

Got ya thanks..

Erik

But I too was not as clear as I wanted to be... I maintain, the before draw, a warning is a bad idea...
At the same time, POST draw, if the attacker has taken pause, I would LOUDLY announce my intent to stop the threat ... at this point if time allows like another said I WANT to be noticed, I want folks to hear I warned the attacker....at this point Im not longer concerned with giving the attacker an advantage before I present my weapon. At this point I have drawn my weapon, moved to a better position if possible, scanned the area for another attacker and NOW will loudly have a chatty session about me being concerned for my safety, I will defend myself, and give the attacker an out...."Walk away and this ends"

Personally Im not playing deputy dog and detaining a violator.... catching criminals AFTER the crime is what LEOS do best,, that’s there job.. not ours, ours is to go home alive. And if I can desolate by way of providing an out... then later a full accounting and description of the event, plus offer to bear witness for the prosecution... it's a win win win.. I go home alive, bad guy gets caught, I do not have to retain a very expensive lawyer and defend my shooting.

mrm1955Tex wrote:Thanks for all the great responses. I also agree that saying to much or the wrong thing can get you in a lot of trouble.

I guess warning is a bad idea, just thought maybe if it could defuse the confrontation where I might not have to pull my weapon, it would be worth a try.

I would just want to make sure I did everything possible to avoid shooting someone so I could live with it if I did.

Good chance if you pull your weapon the person would stop and you would not have to shoot them anyway, hopefully.

No mistake though, I'd pull the trigger to save my life without hesitation.

A warning probably won't diffuse an angry person already threatening you. An apology might. It lets them save face and keep their dignity intact and that is what is more important to many aggressors at that point. And you go home unharmed without having to shoot someone that day.

C-dub wrote:

mrm1955Tex wrote: A warning probably won't diffuse an angry person already threatening you. An apology might. It lets them save face and keep their dignity intact and that is what is more important to many aggressors at that point. And you go home unharmed without having to shoot someone that day.

Great advise, and the best outcome as well.

mrm1955Tex wrote:

C-dub wrote:

mrm1955Tex wrote: A warning probably won't diffuse an angry person already threatening you. An apology might. It lets them save face and keep their dignity intact and that is what is more important to many aggressors at that point. And you go home unharmed without having to shoot someone that day.

Great advise, and the best outcome as well.

I agree with this advice as well in a gas station type confrontation. In a robbery type confrontation, that's a different story.

Warnings are for people I care about, to keep them safe.

I like what Danny Glover said in Silverado." I don't wanna kill you & you don't wanna be dead." Pretty much sums it up rather simply.

mrm1955Tex wrote:I wonder about altercations and how to correctly respond and what to say.

If someone is threatening me to the point I have to warn them and I might draw my weapon,

What do you say, hoping it might deter them where you don't have to draw.

Stop, I will defend myself if you come any closer
Stop or your gonna have a real bad day
Stop or this is gonna be the worst day of your life
Stop or you might not survive this situation


The LEO's could misinterpret what you say as a warning

Just Curious, what would you say?

I would not say a word. Out loud.

There's a time for talking & a time for action, but my pea-brain can't do both in a stressful situation. If the threat is far enough away but too close for comfort & not moving quickly toward me, STOP will fit the bill. If the threat is moving toward me quickly, then I'm on the move & drawing. What happens next will be a reaction to what the threat does - if the threat continues to move toward me, BANG (repeat as necessary); if the threat breaks off the advance, the gun goes back to the holster & I get out of Dodge.

Mind you, this is the general scenario that I've played out in my head as a mental excercise. I tend to constantly evaluate my "what would I do if" as I go throughout my day in different encounters. And I hope I never have to put any action behind any of it. I hope to be one of those 20 or 30 year chl'rs that have only dealt in hypotheticals.

C-dub wrote:A warning probably won't diffuse an angry person already threatening you. An apology might. It lets them save face and keep their dignity intact and that is what is more important to many aggressors at that point. And you go home unharmed without having to shoot someone that day.

The book I just finished dealt with this exact thing. Author called them "Monkey Dances". I highly recommend this book "Facing Violence" by Rory Miller. Lots to consider. JMPHO.

It seems like most people use a chl in place of a good ole whoopin.

If there isn't an object in the aggressive guys hand like a knife, bat, or gun then most likely we will be fighting if he gets close enough to justify it. MOST people try to act bold and think yelling in an aggressive manner will be enough to scare the victim and never really plan on using violence so they are not really prepared for getting a beat down.

Of course, if your carrying u have to decide if your weapon is in danger if up you fight.

Ericstac wrote:It seems like most people use a chl in place of a good ole whoopin.

If there isn't an object in the aggressive guys hand like a knife, bat, or gun then most likely we will be fighting if he gets close enough to justify it. MOST people try to act bold and think yelling in an aggressive manner will be enough to scare the victim and never really plan on using violence so they are not really prepared for getting a beat down.

Of course, if your carrying u have to decide if your weapon is in danger if up you fight.

I'm not at an age that I consider old, but neither am I a young man anymore. I wish that I had about 50 more lbs of muscle and MMA fighting skills but the truth is that I don't. I'm a mechanic that eats too much fast food and besides manual labor, really don't work out. So, I am not likely to be able to give any (likely) younger guy(s), especially those who may have spent their last few weeks or months "pushing weight" in a jail/prison, any sort of "whooping", even if that is what they deserve. At the same time, I am NOT going to let them "whoop" me, either, if I can prevent it. Even if they don't INTEND to kill you or maim you when they ASSAULT you, one punch or kick can lead to you being dead or injured for the rest of your life. If others have the physicality and skill to "whoop" an attacker, by all means, go for it. It will probably save a lot of heartache and money...unfortunately, I just ain't able to do that.