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Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:18 pm
by Longshot38
jlcoulton wrote:Don't rule out the AR platform a semi-auto at long range has the benefits of fast follow-up shots. I have three rifles designated as tacticle, the first is a DPMS Panther Bull Special with a 6.5 x 20 power mil-dot reticle scope used for close range (out to 600 yards with the 73 grain berger's), the second is a DPMS LR308 with the same Leupold scope for mid-range and the third is an M40A1 in 300 win mag built by Mike Lau at Texas Brigade Armory with a Leupold 8.5 x 25 30mm scope with Mil-dot reticle for when you really need to reach out and touch someone. The DPMS ARs are extreamly accurate right out of the box, I have shoot 1 1/2 inch groups at 500 yards with the Panther Bull Special. I also have many Savage rifles and they are also remarkably accurate so you can't go wrong there either.
This as well. But do understand that a semi-auto is less forgiving then a bolt action. You have to be much more consistent with your form in order to make one shine.
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:25 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Longshot38 wrote:jlcoulton wrote:Don't rule out the AR platform a semi-auto at long range has the benefits of fast follow-up shots. I have three rifles designated as tacticle, the first is a DPMS Panther Bull Special with a 6.5 x 20 power mil-dot reticle scope used for close range (out to 600 yards with the 73 grain berger's), the second is a DPMS LR308 with the same Leupold scope for mid-range and the third is an M40A1 in 300 win mag built by Mike Lau at Texas Brigade Armory with a Leupold 8.5 x 25 30mm scope with Mil-dot reticle for when you really need to reach out and touch someone. The DPMS ARs are extreamly accurate right out of the box, I have shoot 1 1/2 inch groups at 500 yards with the Panther Bull Special. I also have many Savage rifles and they are also remarkably accurate so you can't go wrong there either.
This as well. But do understand that a semi-auto is less forgiving then a bolt action. You have to be much more consistent with your form in order to make one shine.
That is absolutely true. I have no problems with my R700 .308, but my AR10 took some getting used to.
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:50 pm
by Munk
Thanks everyone for the input. If there is any more please feel free to share. I have a Daniel Defense M4 with a Nikon M233 mounted for the AR fun.
It looks like I may check out the Savage 10BA .308 and look into a SWFA 5-20x50 FFP scope.
One of you suggested I check out your Rem700 and I may do that to make sure I don't want to go that route.
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:30 am
by SDenton
"Long Range Toy" - the first thing that comes to mind is .50 BMG
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:32 pm
by Hamourkiller
You could spend a thousand bucks and get an M1 Garand SA Service Grade Special. Essentially a brand new 1950's era rifle in 30-06 and first rate peep sights. I liked them so much I bought two!
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:07 pm
by The Annoyed Man
You know, actually Hamourkiller is right. The Garand won't have anywhere near the accuracy of a modern long range rifle, but it can be made very accurate. People have shot 1,000 yard matches with them using iron sights, and .30-06 is commonly available ammo. I would love to own one myself.
Drawbacks? A big heavy for tramping around the woods with; the en-bloc clip reloading design; and the fact that you won't want to shoot high pressure loads in it for fear of damaging the operating rod. But the peep sights on the Garand as well as on the M14/M1A are simply first rate. If .....not "if".....when I buy myself another M1A, I'm going to leave optics off of it and leave it as it is.
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:27 pm
by Hamourkiller
When you load the Garand with heavy bullets and slow powder you should get a Mccann or Schuster adjustable gas screw or a Garand gear vented gas screw (Plug?). This protects the operating rod and allows long range shooting with this rifle. Be warned though, the "ping!!" is addicting and seldom do you just buy one weapon from the CMP.
Have fun with whatever you buy!
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:06 pm
by Thumper
I love my Rem 7005R. It will ring 10" plates at 1000 all day long. (Sometimes, it will even do it with me shooting it).
I like the .308 round for that distance and below. Were I inclined to start shooting at ranges longer than that, I would probably look at a setup in .338LM.
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:25 pm
by cyphur
Thumper wrote:I love my Rem 7005R. It will ring 10" plates at 1000 all day long. (Sometimes, it will even do it with me shooting it).
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I like the .308 round for that distance and below. Were I inclined to start shooting at ranges longer than that, I would probably look at a setup in .338LM.
If you do not mind, what glass and bolt knob do you have on there? Turrets look like NF....
Looking to put some temp glass on my .308 for load development and to work up to 500 yards, while saving for a Vortex PST or Razor(or maybe a NF if I decide FFP is not a requirement).
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:07 pm
by Longshot38
cyphur wrote:Thumper wrote:I love my Rem 7005R. It will ring 10" plates at 1000 all day long. (Sometimes, it will even do it with me shooting it).
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I like the .308 round for that distance and below. Were I inclined to start shooting at ranges longer than that, I would probably look at a setup in .338LM.
If you do not mind, what glass and bolt knob do you have on there? Turrets look like NF....
Looking to put some temp glass on my .308 for load development and to work up to 500 yards, while saving for a Vortex PST or Razor(or maybe a NF if I decide FFP is not a requirement).
It is a NF. But I have question for you. Why rule out NF just because of FFP? NF offers the F1 scopes which are FFP.
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:47 pm
by cyphur
Longshot38 wrote:cyphur wrote:Thumper wrote:I love my Rem 7005R. It will ring 10" plates at 1000 all day long. (Sometimes, it will even do it with me shooting it).
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I like the .308 round for that distance and below. Were I inclined to start shooting at ranges longer than that, I would probably look at a setup in .338LM.
If you do not mind, what glass and bolt knob do you have on there? Turrets look like NF....
Looking to put some temp glass on my .308 for load development and to work up to 500 yards, while saving for a Vortex PST or Razor(or maybe a NF if I decide FFP is not a requirement).
It is a NF. But I have question for you. Why rule out NF just because of FFP? NF offers the F1 scopes which are FFP.
I would likely get all of the scope I need right now for ~$950 in the Vortex PST line, which would save me more than enough money to get into reloading and out to the range, which is going to help me a lot more than a $2300 NF, even if it is one of the better scopes money can buy. I'd only be looking at NF FFPor the Razor if I could find one used for $1500 or so. That is why I discounted the NF F1s because even used they are typically $2000.
Not bashing NF at all, quite the opposite, the NF F1 simply do not fit into my need vs cost matrix right now. Neither does the Razor at retail prices....
Re: Question about Long Range toy
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:33 pm
by Munk
I think I'm going this route:
6.5 Creedmoor
Krieger barrel
Stiller Predator action
Timney trigger
XLR Chassis
Harris bipod
Still trying to decide on glass. The NF F1 is a dream but at $2400 it's distant.
I've heard great things about SWFA FFP but still hear people complain about it being made in China.
Anyone have any experience with Huskemaw scopes?