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Somebody would have had a stroke if they searched the van on my last trip to the range

When I read the story at the link earlier, they didn't say the weapons were OUTSIDE the vehicle, they said INSIDE. I know what the picture showed, but I figured LEOs did that and the TV people snapped pics during the search. Yeah, I agree, something about this just isn't right...

donkey wrote:

C-dub wrote:Huh. Nothing illegal going on except for the fake ID. Normally I would say that'll get thrown out becauae there was no ptobable cause, but who knows these days.

They didn't need probable cause for the rifles. They were sitting on the ground outside of the vehicle. The article doesn't say where the ID was found. The individual might have produced that ID when asked for identification.

Curious tone on.

So, you're saying that if I'm loading up for a trip, leave one of my rifle cases sitting on the ground next to my truck, go back inside for something, an officer drives by, and sees it sitting there that this gives him probable cause to search my vehicle and house?

C-dub wrote:

donkey wrote:

C-dub wrote:Huh. Nothing illegal going on except for the fake ID. Normally I would say that'll get thrown out becauae there was no ptobable cause, but who knows these days.

They didn't need probable cause for the rifles. They were sitting on the ground outside of the vehicle. The article doesn't say where the ID was found. The individual might have produced that ID when asked for identification.

Curious tone on.

So, you're saying that if I'm loading up for a trip, leave one of my rifle cases sitting on the ground next to my truck, go back inside for something, an officer drives by, and sees it sitting there that this gives him probable cause to search my vehicle and house?

No, but if your neighbor looks out at 9am and sees your truck with the door open and a couple bags next to it, then looks out again an hour or two later and sees exactly the same thing, he might wonder a bit if something's wrong. And if he doesn't know you well, or at all, he might call the police, who'd drive by to see if something suspicious was going on.

Someone reported a suspicious vehicle. They're going to check it out.

C-dub wrote:

donkey wrote:

C-dub wrote:Huh. Nothing illegal going on except for the fake ID. Normally I would say that'll get thrown out becauae there was no ptobable cause, but who knows these days.

They didn't need probable cause for the rifles. They were sitting on the ground outside of the vehicle. The article doesn't say where the ID was found. The individual might have produced that ID when asked for identification.

Curious tone on.

So, you're saying that if I'm loading up for a trip, leave one of my rifle cases sitting on the ground next to my truck, go back inside for something, an officer drives by, and sees it sitting there that this gives him probable cause to search my vehicle and house?

Different situations. Your vehicle in your driveway is different than an open vehicle in a parking lot/alley behind a business. Your neighbors haven't report suspicious activity in your driveway. Keep in mind that the officers didn't drive and see the vehicle. The officers were responding to a call for service for a suspicious vehicle. The vehicle had an open door (plain view doctrine applies) and the rifles were sitting outside the vehicle. At this point that don't need probable cause as they haven't made a traffic stop or conducted a search. We don't know where the ID was found so we don't know if they needed probable cause to seize it. Was it sitting in plain sight in the vehicle? Did the owner of the vehicle produce it when asked for ID?

SRH78 wrote:

donkey wrote:

C-dub wrote:Huh. Nothing illegal going on except for the fake ID. Normally I would say that'll get thrown out becauae there was no ptobable cause, but who knows these days.

They didn't need probable cause for the rifles. They were sitting on the ground outside of the vehicle. The article doesn't say where the ID was found. The individual might have produced that ID when asked for identification.

They also said they were removed from the vehicle. Before that, they said it was full of military style weapons. They can't get their story straight.

Maybe it was a really small SUV?

SlickTX wrote:Maybe it was a really small SUV?

Keith B wrote:

SlickTX wrote:Maybe it was a really small SUV?

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