October 16, Presidential Debate #2

[RoyGBiv]

Romney had a TON of missed opportunities but had several spot-on moments.
How the heck did he fail to point out that Obama's budget didn't get a single YEA vote in congress. Zero.
I can only guess Romney was playing to the undecideds and didn't want to come off as "mean" or...

Did Obama get the last word on EVERY question or was that my imagination?
Honestly, I can only recall two questions where Obama didn't get the last word.

Crowley coming out supporting the "I said terrorism from day 1 in the Rose Garden" claim was... unprofessional (forum rules prohibit more correct words ), but the real surprise was the crowd applauding when she did it... The truth about an "impartial" crowd was exposed for the sham that it was.

[The Annoyed Man]

President Obama said tonight in the Presidential debates that he intends to reintroduce an Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) in his next term.

The price of an AR15 just doubled.

You stole that from me on Facebook, didn't you?

[RPB]

Austin gun show this weekend, Buchanan Dam show the following weekend ...

[A-R]

Crowley coming out supporting the "I said terrorism from day 1 in the Rose Garden" claim was... unprofessional (forum rules prohibit more correct words ), but the real surprise was the crowd applauding when she did it... The truth about an "impartial" crowd was exposed for the sham that it was.

It was also DEAD WRONG. The word "terrorism" nor any derivative if it was uttered by Obama at the Rose Garden speech.

Proof in video of entire speech on Obama's own web site
http://m.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-vide ... k-benghazi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[clarionite]

Fact checker

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics ... y-20121016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I nearly cheared when Mitt repeated what I had just said, automatic weapons are already illegal for individuals without Class III licenses.

The fact check says that Mitt was incorrect because the AWB expired. If they're this far off on something so easily checked, what else are they off on?


I like Mitt more every time I hear him talk.

[magillapd]

Romney had a TON of missed opportunities but had several spot-on moments.
How the heck did he fail to point out that Obama's budget didn't get a single YEA vote in congress. Zero.
I can only guess Romney was playing to the undecideds and didn't want to come off as "mean" or...

Did Obama get the last word on EVERY question or was that my imagination?
Honestly, I can only recall two questions where Obama didn't get the last word.

Crowley coming out supporting the "I said terrorism from day 1 in the Rose Garden" claim was... unprofessional (forum rules prohibit more correct words ), but the real surprise was the crowd applauding when she did it... The truth about an "impartial" crowd was exposed for the sham that it was.

Exactly, especially when she said in the beginning that there would be no clapping or anything allowed during the debate. ha

He completely skipped around fast and furious.

Fund jails and prisons to the level needed. Keep the people locked up that need to stay locked up. Allow people to carry concealed to protect themselves from these thugs. I do agree that better education will help, as will more community involvement. Romney was also right, a strong family will go a long way to help fix things.

[magillapd]

Crowley coming out supporting the "I said terrorism from day 1 in the Rose Garden" claim was... unprofessional (forum rules prohibit more correct words ), but the real surprise was the crowd applauding when she did it... The truth about an "impartial" crowd was exposed for the sham that it was.

It was also DEAD WRONG. The word "terrorism" nor any derivative if it was uttered by Obama at the Rose Garden speech.

Proof in video of entire speech on Obama's own web site
http://m.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-vide ... k-benghazi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At 4:18 of the above video Obama said "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation" However he was speaking of 9/11. If he had, as he said in the video, called this specific incident and act of terror, he would have used the words terrorists instead of attackers.

[Beiruty]

It was draw with a bias to the fired-up President Obama. As if someone, flipped a switch and rebooted this man. However, avoiding to answer direct question was a shame. There is a guy who asked about the rising cost of goods and drop of income, what did the President reply to the question, nothing related to the question

[C-dub]

It was draw with a bias to the fired-up President Obama. As if someone, flipped a switch and rebooted this man. However, avoiding to answer direct question was a shame. There is a guy who asked about the rising cost of goods and drop of income, what did the President reply to the question, nothing related to the question

No kidding, but that also applies to Mitt on some questions. By the time they were 20 seconds into an answer I had no idea what the original question was. Usually, Mitt quickly returned to the question, while the president did not until the very last few seconds if at all.

[Beiruty]

Best president would be 1/4 Obama 3/4 Mitt. Just leave my guns alnoe. Before 2008, he claimed he is not touching our means of self-defense. Now, he wants to take away our Semi-auto rifles. How do I defend my home and my family, when rioters show up to burn down the neighborhood?

[mamabearCali]

well now it is out in the open....count on an a gun ban if Obama is elected again.

The moderator was terrible. Constantly cut off the govenor and almost never the president, then jumped in and made an argument herself......and was wrong.....

The president was at least awake this time...so he gets points for that....now if he was talking he was spewing falsehoods

The govenor missed a few opportunities, but on the whole he did solidly....

Trying to be as reasonable as possible I think it was a draw.....the loser was the moderator who let her own bias show.

[A-R]

Best president would be 1/4 Obama 3/4 Mitt. Just leave my guns alnoe. Before 2008, he claimed he is not touching our means of self-defense. Now, he wants to take away our Semi-auto rifles. How do I defend my home and my family, when rioters show up to burn down the neighborhood?

Best president would have little similarity to EITHER of these two "leaders"

[Jaguar]

Unfortunately, I watched the debate last night and I am finding it harder and harder to justify my earlier stance of voting for Romney over the Libertarian candidate. I could not believe some of the things coming out of Mitt’s mouth, it was like he felt, since he was talking to undecided people in a town hall format, he had to say things that made individuals happy and to heck with any form of logic.

For instance, the very first question was from a college student worried about future employment opportunity. Mr. Romney basically said to this kid who again, is worried about his future (all quotes paraphrased), “I support Pell grants, I want to take more money from some people and give it to college students, so you don’t have to worry about not being able to pay for your loans.” I was screaming at the TV screen, how does that improve his future employment opportunities? Not to mention that federal subsidizes of colleges really only make them more expensive and less competitive, it’s a bad plan that doesn’t address the problem this question raised. Swing and a miss. Yeah, sure, he said he knows what it takes to create jobs, but he didn’t articulate it here, just more government spending.

Then they went on to energy. Romney could have pointed to a “green energy” company that went bankrupt the day of the debate which took a lot of taxpayer dollars with it, but it seems he didn’t get that memo; he was for “All of the above.” What the heck? I wanted to hear Mr. Romney say that the federal government should not be in the business of funding private companies, it only takes money from some people and gives it to others, while if the money stayed in the original people’s hands they could and would invest more wisely than what the feds invest.

Then we move to taxes, and this is where I started to question my sanity. Romney actually felt the need to brag that the top 5% would still account for 60% of federal revenues (and I thought Obama was a socialist), while all the benefits would come to middle class. I’m sorry, I am a member of the middle class, but I don’t create jobs, I cannot invest $10 million in a startup that may become the next Apple, or the next Solendra. I realize the top 5% have more power over the economy than the other 95%, and to entice them to invest you cannot punish success. People with a large amount of money willing to risk it (and when I say risk, I doubt very many would invest in Solendra) is what drives the economy, not some vague promise to help the middle class. I would like lower taxes, but the only way to do that is to reduce spending, and Governor Romney was absent on any details there.

Then they tackled the gender gap. Apparently Governor Romney feels affirmative action is fine, he practiced it as governor of Massachusetts.

Next they talked about energy independence, whatever that is. We live in a global economy, if tomorrow Mexico finds a gazillion barrels of oil six inches below the surface of the ground and all they have to do is dig a ditch to bring it to ports for the rest of the world, the price of oil in the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, Venezuela, and Canada will all decrease. The U.S. becoming “energy independent” is a catchy phrase that means nothing. We can become wealthier if we sell more oil on the market, but apparently “wealth” is a naughty word.

Romney scored some points here and there, but never seemed to expand on how he would make any difference. Here is my thing, I am for small business as Romney said he was, but I am also for Big Business, which is an engine for small business. I want the wealthy to invest and fuel the growth of the nation. I want the federal government to be reined in, less spending, smaller size overall, adhere to the limits placed on it by the very document that created it. Romney never seemed to articulate these issues, of course Obama did not either, but that was expected. He seems more interested in keeping every single nickel the feds spend, including spending on Big Bird, who is richer then Romney is.

Obama says (and his actions prove) he doesn’t want to go back to the ways of the past, but I believe the past was wonderful, minus a few bumps in the road. Look past the 2007 – 2008 recession and look at the history of the United States, more freedom, economic freedom, success stories, failures, greatness, humbleness, mistakes, and correcting mistakes. The greatest history ever written is from 1776 through today, but neither seem to want to go back to free market, lower spending, and allowing the American people to do what a free people do, succeed, fail, or get out of the way.

I was truly embarrassed by both of these guys last night. It has been said that “When a Democrat runs against a Democrat, a Democrat wins.” I’ll have neither, thank you.

[C-dub]

Now that the president has put out more misleading "facts" the next and last debate should be interesting. I wonder if Mitt will call him out on any of them?

[C-dub]

Jaguar, you sure said a mouthful, or keyboard full. I find I agree with your observations and Mitt did have a bit of an off night. However, it was no where near as horrendous as bad as the obamanations first debate performance. Unfortunately, these are the two choices we have. A vote for anyone else is a throw away vote and will only help the incumbent. Even with the off night, Mitt is still a far better choice than Barry and doesn't flat out lie like Barry does.