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Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:03 pm
by WildBill
Unless Oklahoma has a different legal system that rest of the country, I don't think that it's up to the police officer to determine the amount fine. Maybe that's the maximum penalty for Oklahoma law, but IMO the judge is one who would pass sentence.

Up until last November, urinating in public go you on the sex offenders list.

http://www.newson6.com/story/15930844/n ... -urination" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:56 am
by Jaguar
UPDATE

Piedmont officer is fired over public urination ticket


http://newsok.com/piedmont-officer-is-f ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A police officer who wrote a $2,500 ticket to a mother on a public urination complaint against her 3-year-old son has been fired, City Manager Jim Crosby said Tuesday.

Crosby said he fired officer Ken Qualls on Friday, following a hearing Nov. 14.

Prosecutors at the Canadian County district attorney's office declined to pursue the case against the mother, Crosby said.
:hurry: :thumbs2:

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:06 am
by The Annoyed Man
I don't know if this is still the case or not, but when I lived in Paris, France as a child, there were actually designated public urination places along the sidewalks overlooking the Seine river. They were located wherever there was a 90ยบ angle in the safety wall, and each was sequestered by means of a semi-circular wrought-iron barrier which could be peed through, without anybody accidentally stepping in the urine.

I guess they recognized that the sight of all that water flowing by might provoke an overwhelming urge in a wine-addled mind.

$2,500 seems kind of steep

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:08 am
by The Annoyed Man
Jaguar wrote:UPDATE

Piedmont officer is fired over public urination ticket


http://newsok.com/piedmont-officer-is-f ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A police officer who wrote a $2,500 ticket to a mother on a public urination complaint against her 3-year-old son has been fired, City Manager Jim Crosby said Tuesday.

Crosby said he fired officer Ken Qualls on Friday, following a hearing Nov. 14.

Prosecutors at the Canadian County district attorney's office declined to pursue the case against the mother, Crosby said.
:hurry: :thumbs2:
Beat me to it...

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:20 am
by i8godzilla
TAM, in the mid-80s there were still many places like that in Europe. There were like facilities in (W) Germany when I lived there. There we signs that directed you to the pissor. At some small bierfest the pissor was just an area behind a large object. In some bars the urinal was nothing more than a tile wall with a lip on the floor to force the liquid down a drain (sometimes the drain just flowed to the ground outside).

Looks like things may be slightly different in today's times (photo from 2008):

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Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:12 am
by WildBill
AndyC wrote:I'm in two minds about the cop being fired. Way overzealous, sure - but I'd be happier seeing that cop who threatened to shoot someone in the head for daring to legally carry concealed than this guy.
:iagree: The cop that was fired had been an LEO for quite a few years, but only a year on that particular department. I wonder if it was just the bad publicity or some other factor that led to his termination.

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:41 am
by E.Marquez
AndyC wrote:but I'd be happier seeing that cop who threatened to shoot someone in the head for daring to legally carry concealed than this guy.
Harless was fired "The Canton Repository today reported that Canton police patrolman Daniel Harless has been fired."
http://ohioccw.org/201201114998/harless-fired.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:49 am
by WildBill
bronco78 wrote:
AndyC wrote:but I'd be happier seeing that cop who threatened to shoot someone in the head for daring to legally carry concealed than this guy.
Harless was fired "The Canton Repository today reported that Canton police patrolman Daniel Harless has been fired."
http://ohioccw.org/201201114998/harless-fired.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This guy is a real piece of work. :banghead:

I don't know if this is the latest. It was posted Nov 15, 2012.

The Canton police officer who was caught on camera making death threats, and yelling and screaming at people he pulled over, is eligible to get his job back.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_ ... t-job-back" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:17 pm
by Jumping Frog
bronco78 wrote:
AndyC wrote:but I'd be happier seeing that cop who threatened to shoot someone in the head for daring to legally carry concealed than this guy.
Harless was fired "The Canton Repository today reported that Canton police patrolman Daniel Harless has been fired."
http://ohioccw.org/201201114998/harless-fired.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, but then the union took it to binding arbitration and he got his job back. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x21058376 ... ck-his-job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=65863" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another example of why Ohio is going down the toilet.

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:40 pm
by WildBill
Jumping Frog wrote:Yes, but then the union took it to binding arbitration and he got his job back. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Unfortunately, I think it's just a matter of time before this guy makes good on one of his threats.

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:34 pm
by E.Marquez
Unless I am misreading the articles.. Harless won the RIGHT to get his job BACK (yes he should be in jail,, but that is another post),, but with the condition of a passing medical endorsement. Which he has not been given, nor does he have his job back.. .. He did not get back pay and the article included "Harless suffers from PTSD and "Major Depression". Says he doesn't acknowledge wrongdoing, that his medical condition does not excuse his behavior (double speak for "arrest me now"), that he doesn't feel he is a threat to himself or others with these conditions, that he is getting "temporary total disability payments" from Workers' Comp, applied for disability pension, been deemed incapable of working."

SO the OP and the LEO involved got canned for bad judgement and citing something minor that common sense showed was not the right choice.

Officer Harless, has PTSD, Depression, verbally and physically abuses citizens at least two times that is know, threats to kill citizens at least two times that we know.. and has a job waiting for him if cleared by a doc at some time later.

Crazy world we live in, that much is clear... Justice much less so.

Re: $2,500 fine for peeing in public

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:37 pm
by WildBill
bronco78 wrote:Unless I am misreading the articles..
It's hard to know what the articles are trying to say.