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Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:40 am
by Skiprr
AndyC wrote:And..... begged American civilians to donate hunting rifles during WW2 - after the war, the British gov't dumped those rifles in the ocean.
Here here.

Wonderful article in the September 2012 issue of the NRA's American Rifleman: "This Rifle's Story Should Make Every Englishman Blush."

After the Battle of Dunkirk in 1940, More than 7,000 privately-owned firearms were donated and shipped to England by the American Committee for the Defense of British Homes.

One of those U.S. guns was donated by Major John W. Hession. The rifle was a 30-06 Springfield Model 1903. Major Hession was a long-range competition shooter. He took that rifle to the Olympics in 1908 then, in 1909, he used it to set a world record at Camp Perry where he made 67 consecutive bullseyes at 800 yards. He won the Wimbledon Cup in 1919 and 1921. His 1962 obituary read, in part: "...one of his major achievements was to set four world records in one day. This he did in on July 3, 1925..."

At Dunkirk, the British force retreated back across the English Channel, leaving most of their equipment behind...a massive loss of armament. Combine that with the English Firearms Act of 1920 and that left almost all British citizens unarmed in the face of an advancing Third Reich. A lesson to be learned.

Hession was working for Winchester Arms in 1940. He packed up his prized Springfield Model 1903 and gave it to the American Committee for the Defense of British Homes, where it was shipped to England. A fore-end plate on the rifle read: "For obvious reasons the return of this rifle after Germany is defeated would be deeply appreciated."

The rifle now resides in the NRA's National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Virginia.

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:27 am
by jmra
I like the way this lady thinks. Where can I go pick up my fully functional tank?

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:34 am
by sjfcontrol
jmra wrote:I like the way this lady thinks. Where can I go pick up my fully functional tank?
First, you'll need to re-instate the Constitution -- specifically that "shall not be infringed" part. :thumbs2:

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:05 am
by Abraham
Until this thread I'd never heard of Piers Morgan.

Do we really care what he has to say regarding the 2nd amendment?

I don't get worked up over what celebrities (I guess that's what he is...?) have to say - though I guess, like Bob C. he has some potential influence by virtue of being a celebrity.

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:21 am
by A-R
Abraham wrote:Until this thread I'd never heard of Piers Morgan.

Do we really care what he has to say regarding the 2nd amendment?

I don't get worked up over what celebrities (I guess that's what he is...?) have to say - though I guess, like Bob C. he has some potential influence by virtue of being a celebrity.
He has the prime time hour (Larry King's old spot) on CNN ... do, like Costas, he has quite a large and far-reaching soapbox from which to blather

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:41 am
by Jaguar
A-R wrote:
Abraham wrote:Until this thread I'd never heard of Piers Morgan.

Do we really care what he has to say regarding the 2nd amendment?

I don't get worked up over what celebrities (I guess that's what he is...?) have to say - though I guess, like Bob C. he has some potential influence by virtue of being a celebrity.
He has the prime time hour (Larry King's old spot) on CNN ... do, like Costas, he has quite a large and far-reaching soapbox from which to blather
Unlike Costas, Morgan is a paid pontificator and known leftist. You know going in he going in he is going to be political and advocate his socialist views. Costas is supposed to be an entertainer and sports commentator, yet he used his entertainment venue to spout nonsense to the masses without their wanting or knowing this was coming.

I respect Piers Morgan even if I disagree with him and refuse to watch him. I abhor Bob Costas since he spouted his socialist views on an unknowing and unwilling audience. Maybe it doesn’t make sense, but that’s the way I see it.

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:48 am
by E.Marquez
Jaguar wrote:
A-R wrote:
Abraham wrote:Until this thread I'd never heard of Piers Morgan.

Do we really care what he has to say regarding the 2nd amendment?

I don't get worked up over what celebrities (I guess that's what he is...?) have to say - though I guess, like Bob C. he has some potential influence by virtue of being a celebrity.
He has the prime time hour (Larry King's old spot) on CNN ... do, like Costas, he has quite a large and far-reaching soapbox from which to blather
Unlike Costas, Morgan is a paid pontificator and known leftist. You know going in he going in he is going to be political and advocate his socialist views. Costas is supposed to be an entertainer and sports commentator, yet he used his entertainment venue to spout nonsense to the masses without their wanting or knowing this was coming.

I respect Piers Morgan even if I disagree with him and refuse to watch him. I abhor Bob Costas since he spouted his socialist views on an unknowing and unwilling audience. Maybe it doesn’t make sense, but that’s the way I see it.
Concur completely..
Well said.

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:11 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Skiprr wrote:
AndyC wrote:And..... begged American civilians to donate hunting rifles during WW2 - after the war, the British gov't dumped those rifles in the ocean.
Here here.

Wonderful article in the September 2012 issue of the NRA's American Rifleman: "This Rifle's Story Should Make Every Englishman Blush."

After the Battle of Dunkirk in 1940, More than 7,000 privately-owned firearms were donated and shipped to England by the American Committee for the Defense of British Homes.

One of those U.S. guns was donated by Major John W. Hession. The rifle was a 30-06 Springfield Model 1903. Major Hession was a long-range competition shooter. He took that rifle to the Olympics in 1908 then, in 1909, he used it to set a world record at Camp Perry where he made 67 consecutive bullseyes at 800 yards. He won the Wimbledon Cup in 1919 and 1921. His 1962 obituary read, in part: "...one of his major achievements was to set four world records in one day. This he did in on July 3, 1925..."

At Dunkirk, the British force retreated back across the English Channel, leaving most of their equipment behind...a massive loss of armament. Combine that with the English Firearms Act of 1920 and that left almost all British citizens unarmed in the face of an advancing Third Reich. A lesson to be learned.

Hession was working for Winchester Arms in 1940. He packed up his prized Springfield Model 1903 and gave it to the American Committee for the Defense of British Homes, where it was shipped to England. A fore-end plate on the rifle read: "For obvious reasons the return of this rifle after Germany is defeated would be deeply appreciated."

The rifle now resides in the NRA's National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Virginia.
That was an excellent article, and it was the first thing I thought of when I saw Piers Morgan's brain fart. The problem with him is that he's gassy all the time.

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:22 pm
by A-R
Jaguar wrote:
A-R wrote:
Abraham wrote:Until this thread I'd never heard of Piers Morgan.

Do we really care what he has to say regarding the 2nd amendment?

I don't get worked up over what celebrities (I guess that's what he is...?) have to say - though I guess, like Bob C. he has some potential influence by virtue of being a celebrity.
He has the prime time hour (Larry King's old spot) on CNN ... do, like Costas, he has quite a large and far-reaching soapbox from which to blather
Unlike Costas, Morgan is a paid pontificator and known leftist. You know going in he going in he is going to be political and advocate his socialist views. Costas is supposed to be an entertainer and sports commentator, yet he used his entertainment venue to spout nonsense to the masses without their wanting or knowing this was coming.

I respect Piers Morgan even if I disagree with him and refuse to watch him. I abhor Bob Costas since he spouted his socialist views on an unknowing and unwilling audience. Maybe it doesn’t make sense, but that’s the way I see it.
I agree, my comparison was merely in the fact that both men have a large audience so their comments need to be refudiated :tiphat:

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:38 pm
by Jaguar
A-R wrote:
Jaguar wrote:
A-R wrote:
Abraham wrote:Until this thread I'd never heard of Piers Morgan.

Do we really care what he has to say regarding the 2nd amendment?

I don't get worked up over what celebrities (I guess that's what he is...?) have to say - though I guess, like Bob C. he has some potential influence by virtue of being a celebrity.
He has the prime time hour (Larry King's old spot) on CNN ... do, like Costas, he has quite a large and far-reaching soapbox from which to blather
Unlike Costas, Morgan is a paid pontificator and known leftist. You know going in he going in he is going to be political and advocate his socialist views. Costas is supposed to be an entertainer and sports commentator, yet he used his entertainment venue to spout nonsense to the masses without their wanting or knowing this was coming.

I respect Piers Morgan even if I disagree with him and refuse to watch him. I abhor Bob Costas since he spouted his socialist views on an unknowing and unwilling audience. Maybe it doesn’t make sense, but that’s the way I see it.
I agree, my comparison was merely in the fact that both men have a large audience so their comments need to be refudiated :tiphat:
Absolutely agree. No sense letting nonsense run loose. :thumbs2:

Re: Debating the 2nd amendment

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:52 pm
by threoh8
It's too bad Piers doesn't apply the same logic to the First Amendment, behind which he hides. His "freedom of speech, or of the press" would be limited to what was available in 1787: his vocal cords and maybe a non-powered megaphone; handwritten notes; and pamphlets printed on hand-set, manually operated printing presses. No electronic recording or distribution would be protected for him. And we wouldn't have to hear about his "tweets".