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Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:52 am
by VMI77
AEA wrote:Here's another thought.......
If they do end up forcing an AR Ban and it involves a turn in of all existing AR's, we need to get our Congress Critters to force the Govt to pay fair market value to the owner for every one turned in. And we need to make it clear that if our Congress Critters do not get this done, they will be voted out of office at first opportunity.
They think they can just take the guns away without compensation? They think they can offer 50 bux for a 1200+ dollar AR? I don't think so "Timmy".
This needs to be addressed NOW, before it's too late.
I don't wanna give up my AR. And I surely don't want to give it up for nothing considering all the money I have in it.
Why should I? Because of Nut Jobs that propagate the Left's agenda?
And, besides all this, I am willing to bet that MaoBama is behind all of these shootings anyway.
Unless you're a true believe in "coincidence" it's had to think otherwise.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:00 am
by The Annoyed Man
AEA wrote:Here's another thought.......
If they do end up forcing an AR Ban and it involves a turn in of all existing AR's, we need to get our Congress Critters to force the Govt to pay fair market value to the owner for every one turned in. And we need to make it clear that if our Congress Critters do not get this done, they will be voted out of office at first opportunity.
They think they can just take the guns away without compensation? They think they can offer 50 bux for a 1200+ dollar AR? I don't think so "Timmy".
This needs to be addressed NOW, before it's too late.
I don't wanna give up my AR. And I surely don't want to give it up for nothing considering all the money I have in it.
Why should I? Because of Nut Jobs that propagate the Left's agenda?
And, besides all this, I am willing to bet that MaoBama is behind all of these shootings anyway.
BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:11 am
by PUCKER
The Annoyed Man wrote:AEA wrote:BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.
Right next to you...at a "young" 41. This (confiscation of firearms) is the line in the sand that must NOT be crossed!!!
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:17 pm
by Thomas
PUCKER wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:AEA wrote:BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.
Right next to you...at a "young" 41. This (confiscation of firearms) is the line in the sand that must NOT be crossed!!!
I'm willing to be that a good number people will be making police reports saying that their truck or whatever was broken into and all of their guns were stolen before they had a chance to turn them in.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:05 pm
by PUCKER
"lost" mine in a boating accident...
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:29 pm
by TexasCajun
So where was the outrage on Thursday? Where were the press conferences calling for action? Where is the renewed AWB that Sen Feinstein has been talking about for weeks? It appears to me that although they didn't like it, the anti's were actually ok with current policy before Friday. And that's the part that makes me sick to my stomach. These so-called people couldn't wait to use the bodies of murdered children and teachers as a platform to advance their agenda. I'm all for trying to fix things that are broken. And I'm all for having a rational discussion. But an actual fix and a rational discussion require 2 sides that are willing to work toward a common stated goal. And that ain't gonna happen as long as the other side is so cruel & heartless as to disregard the nightmare that the familes of the victims have to live through.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:28 pm
by The Annoyed Man
PUCKER wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.
Right next to you...at a "young" 41. This (confiscation of firearms) is the line in the sand that must NOT be crossed!!!
Fixed it for you. Just to be clear, that was my quote, not AEA's.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:36 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Thomas wrote:PUCKER wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:AEA wrote:BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.
Right next to you...at a "young" 41. This (confiscation of firearms) is the line in the sand that must NOT be crossed!!!
I'm willing to be that a good number people will be making police reports saying that their truck or whatever was broken into and all of their guns were stolen before they had a chance to turn them in.
....or not. There is no requirement to report a theft of your own property, including the theft of a firearm, if I'm not mistaken. It may or may not be
wise to do so according to one's conscience, but I don't believe there is any law
requiring one to report the theft of a gun.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. My point is that I don't want to bring the gummint into my affairs if it is in any way avoidable. After all, you
could be liable to filing a false police report if you weren't telling the truth. Government is never your friend anymore. Might have been at one time, but no longer. If my guns go missing, it's nobody's business but my own.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:39 pm
by SQLGeek
longhorn_92 wrote:
I just had a debate with a liberal family mememer about the right to having "Assault" weapons. I learned real quick the mind of a liberal is focused on emotion rather than fact.
I also went through a similar discussion except this person wants all guns abolished. When I presented numerous arguments for the right to bear arms, I was met with accusations of essentially being brain washed by other family members, not having formed my actual opinion on the matter, when that was shot down the person appealed to me to consider what would have happened if my child was one of the ones killed. Lastly I was informed that I did not have enough life experience to adequately comment on the subject and that this person knew many that were victims of gun violence. Not one shred of rational thought was put out, instead a pie in the sky ideal to remove all guns from the country because other countries have done it.
I wish I were making this up.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:41 pm
by SQLGeek
The Annoyed Man wrote:
....or not. There is no requirement to report a theft of your own property, including the theft of a firearm, if I'm not mistaken. It may or may not be wise to do so according to one's conscience, but I don't believe there is any law requiring one to report the theft of a gun.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. My point is that I don't want to bring the gummint into my affairs if it is in any way avoidable. After all, you could be liable to filing a false police report if you weren't telling the truth. Government is never your friend anymore. Might have been at one time, but no longer. If my guns go missing, it's nobody's business but my own.
In doing some research on Connecticut's assault weapon laws, I found that it seems there actually IS a requirement there to report lost and stolen "assault weapons" subject to criminal penalty if not reported in a timely manner. I've heard of this in other locations and I believe certain areas of California (if not the entire state) were trying to push through similar legislation.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:45 pm
by Dave2
SQLGeek wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:
....or not. There is no requirement to report a theft of your own property, including the theft of a firearm, if I'm not mistaken. It may or may not be wise to do so according to one's conscience, but I don't believe there is any law requiring one to report the theft of a gun.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. My point is that I don't want to bring the gummint into my affairs if it is in any way avoidable. After all, you could be liable to filing a false police report if you weren't telling the truth. Government is never your friend anymore. Might have been at one time, but no longer. If my guns go missing, it's nobody's business but my own.
In doing some research on Connecticut's assault weapon laws, I found that it seems there actually IS a requirement there to report lost and stolen "assault weapons" subject to criminal penalty if not reported in a timely manner. I've heard of this in other locations and I believe certain areas of California (if not the entire state) were trying to push through similar legislation.
What about guns that've been shot so much they've been worn out and thrown away?
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:55 pm
by SQLGeek
Well why didn't you turn it in at the last local buy back for your Best Buy gift card and a happy face sticker?
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:36 pm
by jrmcm
longhorn_92 wrote:
the children at the school were murdered with two handguns while the AR15 wa still in the trunk of the vehicle
That is incorrect. Every victim was shot multiple times with only .223. The handguns were never used.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:40 pm
by Heartland Patriot
jrmcm wrote:longhorn_92 wrote:
the children at the school were murdered with two handguns while the AR15 wa still in the trunk of the vehicle
That is incorrect. Every victim was shot multiple times with only .223. The handguns were never used.
Well, that is the information that is NOW out. Initially the reports were about the handguns used...the media ALWAYS manipulate the information for THEIR best gain, either ratings or political.
Re: Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:58 pm
by VMI77
The Annoyed Man wrote:Thomas wrote:PUCKER wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:AEA wrote:BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.
Right next to you...at a "young" 41. This (confiscation of firearms) is the line in the sand that must NOT be crossed!!!
I'm willing to be that a good number people will be making police reports saying that their truck or whatever was broken into and all of their guns were stolen before they had a chance to turn them in.
....or not. There is no requirement to report a theft of your own property, including the theft of a firearm, if I'm not mistaken. It may or may not be
wise to do so according to one's conscience, but I don't believe there is any law
requiring one to report the theft of a gun.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. My point is that I don't want to bring the gummint into my affairs if it is in any way avoidable. After all, you
could be liable to filing a false police report if you weren't telling the truth. Government is never your friend anymore. Might have been at one time, but no longer. If my guns go missing, it's nobody's business but my own.
Not in the US, at least not in Texas, but such reporting is a feature of restrictive gun laws just about everywhere else in the world. In the UK they registered all handguns as step one, and supposedly, they were able to account for all but eight of them during confiscation. But it was no doubt an easier task there than it would be here --I believe they only had about 35,000 handgun owners at the point of confiscation. And we must all remember that now, if the police lie to us, it's just standard business practice, but it is against the law for us to lie to the police. So, excepting some unusual circumstances and how one might judge the risks, it is best to say nothing but phrases like: am I under arrest? am I free to go? and "I will only speak upon consultation with an attorney."