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Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:33 pm
by Dave2
RPB wrote:Bitterclinger wrote:What a bunch of hogwash! It won't pass in this form. I think the registration thing is just a red-herring designed to look like a compromise when it comes to negotiations. Even an idiot like Feinstein can't hope that will fly.
...and exactly what the heck is a "military characteristic ?" I know the bureaucrats will come up with five hundred pages of definitions about how many whats have to be how many inches away from whatever..., but i reject the whole concept at its bedrock. The 2nd amendment makes no distinction between military and civilian arms, and neither should we.
If the Dims were honest, they'd just draw up a bill to repeal the 2nd amendment. I'd like an amendment to say that you can't enact a law or ordinance that overrides the clear and simple intent of any constitutional provision or amendment without following the constitutional amendment process. We still might end up in Feinstein's police state, but at least we'd deserve it.
Freaking lawyers!
Characteristics of military weapons:
black, green, blued, stainless, or camo colors
OR
a magazine release button
OR
sights
Or shoots bullets...
Seriously, I can only think of one gun that isn't either heavily based on, or just a semi-automatic version of, a military weapon. If that's their benchmark, then Boberg Arms will become a very large company.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:03 pm
by APynckel
Kythas wrote:The government has no reason to need to know what types and quantities of firearms I own, unless they need a count of them to know what to confiscate.
We passed legislation back in the 80's making that type of data collecting by the government illegal.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:04 pm
by APynckel
Blindref757 wrote:Legislation is all about compromise. If they are determined to reenact the ban, the GOP should at the very minimum fight for a 20 round max on handgun magazines, and no federal registration.
I don't think that a Glock 19 or an XD that hold <20 in the standard magazines should be included in the ban. And you can't recall current AR's unless you are willing to pay fair market value for them.
But here is a better idea. They shouldn't even spend one second discussing guns until they can assure me with a Balanced Budget Amendment, that we will not have an economic collapse in this nation like Greece. Because if Greece happens in the USA, I will need and will use my AR-15 and my XD if necessary.
No, at the very minimum, the GOP should outright say NO to this bill in its entirety. Hell, we should be loosening up NFA restrictions to allow muzzle mounted hearing protection. It's ridiculous that my car is mandated to have a muffler, but my firearm I have to pay additional taxes for.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:05 pm
by anygunanywhere
APynckel wrote:Kythas wrote:The government has no reason to need to know what types and quantities of firearms I own, unless they need a count of them to know what to confiscate.
We passed legislation back in the 80's making that type of data collecting by the government illegal.
And we all know that the government always obeys those laws.
Anygunanywhere
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:07 pm
by APynckel
anygunanywhere wrote:APynckel wrote:Kythas wrote:The government has no reason to need to know what types and quantities of firearms I own, unless they need a count of them to know what to confiscate.
We passed legislation back in the 80's making that type of data collecting by the government illegal.
And we all know that the government always obeys those laws.
Anygunanywhere
Oh it was a purely facetious comment.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:18 pm
by powerboatr
hmm
my XD 9 has law enforcement characteristics.....its black, conceals well, wears well on a belt holster, magazine release button, frame rail for a bright led light or laser,
holds 17 rounds plus one in the barrel
so by default its a military style
I would ask how they could even try to enforce registration.
we must maintain a campaign to our elected persons
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:40 pm
by Happily Ever After
Kythas wrote:What is considered a "military characteristic"?
Shoots bullets.

Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:47 pm
by sookandy
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
Maybe I am having a brain fart, but what the heck would fall into this category?? Tube fed .22 maybe? That's all I can think of.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:49 pm
by Beiruty
Piers and his folks and that Senator from CA do not make sense, not even "common sense".
Here is a fresh video Gov. Ventura vs Liberal. Morgan (ended 10 vs 0, in a knock-off punch):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... 28xnk0H3B0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:50 pm
by McKnife
I don't know about y'all, but this bill and any related legislation is the line in the sand for me.
I
will never register ANY arms, whether it passes or not. I will not submit to tyranny and I will fight against it.
Our founding fathers were and are criminals in the eyes of the enemy, and so shall I be if necessary.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:51 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Happily Ever After wrote:Kythas wrote:What is considered a "military characteristic"?
Shoots bullets.

Thank you! I asked exactly the same question in another thread. I'm SO glad to know that all of my guns have a military characteristic.
I thought it meant that the gun had sterling character, could cuss fluently, and was underpaid for the job.....or something along those lines!
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:38 pm
by VMI77
The Annoyed Man wrote:Happily Ever After wrote:Kythas wrote:What is considered a "military characteristic"?
Shoots bullets.

Thank you! I asked exactly the same question in another thread. I'm SO glad to know that all of my guns have a military characteristic.
I thought it meant that the gun had sterling character, could cuss fluently, and was underpaid for the job.....or something along those lines!
And/or has a pistol grip.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:39 pm
by jmra
Beiruty wrote:Piers and his folks and that Senator from CA do not make sense, not even "common sense".
Here is a fresh video Gov. Ventura vs Liberal. Morgan (ended 10 vs 0, in a knock-off punch):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... 28xnk0H3B0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not sure what the video has to do with anything...but Ventura is a certifiable nut job.
Re: Senate To Go After Some Handguns
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:29 pm
by Happily Ever After
sookandy wrote:Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
Maybe I am having a brain fart, but what the heck would fall into this category?? Tube fed .22 maybe? That's all I can think of.
How about SKS rifles with certain aftermarket magazines? You also have to remember what country she's from. They have restrictions on sport-utility rifles that spawned a cottage industry for fixed magazine conversions for AR15s and other guns that frighten the ignorant.