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Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:44 pm
by wheelgun1958
Took the boy to the woodshed he did.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:46 pm
by longhorn_92
C-dub wrote:AndyC wrote:Well done, Keith
I'm glad that he raised the issues of projection, that the police have no duty to come to anybody's aid and the fact that "assault weapons" have been used legally many times in self-defense.
I've long thought that most peoples fears surrounding firearms are really an irrational fear of their lack of self control or that they will have an accident and hurt or kill someone. Maybe that they will go mad with power and go on a shooting spree or something. My own sister was like this and has made tremendous progress in this area because of me carrying around her and her family for over 10 years now. She finally asked me to take her shooting last summer and show her some things. She is much much less fearful now and is even becoming very pro gun. She hasn't shot again yet or bought her own, but who know what 2013 will bring yet.
BTW, I thought it was great when Mr. Morgan dropped that little bombshell that he was armed at that very moment. I think that guy's heart actually skipped a few beats.
Loved the interviewer when he said, "That's scary, You're armed right now?"...
Keith Morgan replied, "Well, yeah... Your'e not?"...
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:17 pm
by jimlongley
An unfortunate example of a "journalist" continually interrupting, changing the subject when he starts to lose the point, and at the end cutting off the reply that was going to prove him a liar once and for all.
He's a walking violation of the First Amendment.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:39 pm
by handog
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Projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with certain personality disorders: 'Patients with
paranoid personalities, for example, use projection as a primary defense because it allows them to disavow unpleasant feelings and attribute them to others"
Ouch !
Here's my favorite part,
Kieth- I get my information from The Supreme Court. Where do you get yours.
Journalist- From the side of Police cars.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:57 pm
by olafpfj
The stance of the liberal anti-
Evolution= "look at all the scientific data you whackjobs"
Global Warming= "look at all the scientific data you ignorant racists"
Recreational drugs= "we should be able to do what we want with our bodies"
Abortion= "the government needs to stay out of a womens body"
Gun rights= "I don't believe in guns"
Vaccines = "I believe they cause autism"
Organic food = "I believe its better for you"
Funny how they pick and choose the science and studies they want to believe in. Heaven forbid it should contradict their unsupported beliefs.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:58 pm
by longhorn_92
handog wrote:"
Projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with certain personality disorders: 'Patients with
paranoid personalities, for example, use projection as a primary defense because it allows them to disavow unpleasant feelings and attribute them to others"
Ouch !
Here's my favorite part,
Kieth- I get my information from The Supreme Court. Where do you get yours.
Journalist- From the side of Police cars.
Journalist? More like propagandist
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:59 pm
by JALLEN
Looking at this and thinking about it most of today, there is another subtlety to take note of, and that is the myth of journalistic objectivity.
Perhaps I expect too much, but this was not an example of a reporter or journalist trying to get at the truth wherever it might be found. This interviewer is a committed anti. Thus exposed, his every word on the subject must now be measured by that bias.
That is the case with just about all so-called journalists. Virtually all of them seem to be afflicted by ignorance or superstition or both, or, even worse, in the grip of an ideology of one sort or another.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:27 pm
by 77346
JALLEN wrote:Now on youtube!
....
You don't want to miss this!
Brilliant! Keith Morgan was simply brilliant...
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:40 pm
by JJVP
One thing that Mr. Morgan completely missed. They were talking about assault rifles ( fully automatic rifles) when Mr. Cary said that they had been used in the recent killing. He should have told him that that was completely and absolute lie. No assault rifles have been used in ANY mass shooting in recent memory. The Valentine Day massacre is the only one that comes to mind.
I suspect that they had to mop under Mr. Cary's chair after the interview was over.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:21 pm
by JALLEN
JJVP wrote:One thing that Mr. Morgan completely missed. They were talking about assault rifles ( fully automatic rifles) when Mr. Cary said that they had been used in the recent killing. He should have told him that that was completely and absolute lie. No assault rifles have been used in ANY mass shooting in recent memory. The Valentine Day massacre is the only one that comes to mind.
I suspect that they had to mop under Mr. Cary's chair after the interview was over.
One reason for that is that the term "assault rifle" is not a term of epistemological exactitude. It is whatever the Legislature is pleased to call it. There is not a class of weaponry known as "assault rifles." The term is generally used to refer to fully automatic weapons, MP5, Uzi, M4, etc. not the semi-auto look-a-likes.
He admitted a couple of mistakes, wished he had said something different type stuff, that one included, in the SigForum thread. Still, all in all, an excellent effort that few could equal in calm, factual, refutation of the interviewer's points.
I have long realized there are three speeches/closing arguments/interviews one gives. The first is the one you prepare, write out, think through. The second one is the one that you actually say on the occasion. The third is what you tell your wife when you get home that night.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:26 pm
by C-dub
It's been a while, but I had read that before. Thanks for the reminder.
Re: Dealing with the Anti's
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:53 pm
by JALLEN
AndyC wrote:JALLEN wrote:One reason for that is that the term "assault rifle" is not a term of epistemological exactitude. It is whatever the Legislature is pleased to call it. There is not a class of weaponry known as "assault rifles." The term is generally used to refer to fully automatic weapons, MP5, Uzi, M4, etc. not the semi-auto look-a-likes.
Assault
rifle is a perfectly acceptable term, even - or especially - in the military. It's a
select-fire rifle that shoots an intermediate-powered rifle cartridge - dates back to the German SturmGewehr StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44, literally "storm (or assault) rifle).
Assault
weapon is the nasty, politically-motivated term that lumps all semi-auto, scary-looking, Evil Black Rifles in with machineguns.
In California, there is no such thing as an assault rifle. As you say, there is an assault weapon, some of which are listed by make and model, and the others defined thusly:
The term “assault weapon” also means any firearm that falls under one of the following definitions
pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable
magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to
accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and
any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip,
or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that
allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide
that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the
pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more
than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
The following definitions shall apply relative to defining assault weapons:
(1) "Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
(2) "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of
accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding
device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10
rounds.
It's like Willie Nelson said about par on the golf course at his ranch. "It's whatever I say it is. Yesterday, it was 103!"