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Thanks Keith... I found the answer. It backs up what you just posted. I should have done a search before asking.

RottenApple wrote:In other words, unless his Utah non-resident permit is grandfathered, his Utah license was no longer applicable when his TX CHL expired.

If you read 4(a) carefully, the requirement must be met for ISSUANCE of the UT permit.
The UT rules are silent regarding revocation upon lapse of the home state permit.

As far as I can see... IANAL, This is my OPINION, not legal advice.

RoyGBiv wrote:If you read 4(a) carefully, the requirement must be met for ISSUANCE of the UT permit.
The UT rules are silent regarding revocation upon lapse of the home state permit.

As far as I can see... IANAL, This is my OPINION, not legal advice.

Ha! Good catch. I totally missed it.

RoyGBiv wrote:

RottenApple wrote:In other words, unless his Utah non-resident permit is grandfathered, his Utah license was no longer applicable when his TX CHL expired.

If you read 4(a) carefully, the requirement must be met for ISSUANCE of the UT permit.
The UT rules are silent regarding revocation upon lapse of the home state permit.

As far as I can see... IANAL, This is my OPINION, not legal advice.

The issue is Utah is not going to try and track when your resident license expires and follow up with you to see if you renewed it or not, so as long as you had a resident state license when you applied or renewed, then you met the requirement and your license will be valid until expiration or revoked.

RottenApple wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:If you read 4(a) carefully, the requirement must be met for ISSUANCE of the UT permit.
The UT rules are silent regarding revocation upon lapse of the home state permit.

As far as I can see... IANAL, This is my OPINION, not legal advice.

Ha! Good catch. I totally missed it.

I've missed my fair share.. More than once to significant expense...

I'll probably get some heat on this, but IMO this thread is a perfect example, why one needs the CHL for the state they LIVE in, just like they need the driver's license for the state they LIVE in (few exceptions like active duty, ect). With those exceptions, they have their active duty ID to back up their out of state license so that is simple. The law gives so many days to get a TX license and car registration, CHL should be the same. Make it simple for everybody including the CHL carrier who is not sure if he is valid and the LEO that has to deal with the same CHL carrier on any potential contact. If a LEO runs a TX driver's license status now, it shows they have a TX CHL. A TX license is not going to show a UT or any other states CHL.

The same CHL then needs to be accepted everywhere just like the driver's license is anywhere in the nation. I know that is a long stretch, but it's the right thing to do.

texanjoker wrote:I'll probably get some heat on this, but IMO this thread is a perfect example, why one needs the CHL for the state they LIVE in, just like they need the driver's license for the state they LIVE in (few exceptions like active duty, ect). With those exceptions, they have their active duty ID to back up their out of state license so that is simple. The law gives so many days to get a TX license and car registration, CHL should be the same. Make it simple for everybody including the CHL carrier who is not sure if he is valid and the LEO that has to deal with the same CHL carrier on any potential contact. If a LEO runs a TX driver's license status now, it shows they have a TX CHL. A TX license is not going to show a UT or any other states CHL.

The same CHL then needs to be accepted everywhere just like the driver's license is anywhere in the nation. I know that is a long stretch, but it's the right thing to do.

Some states have a much easier renewal process. Utah, for example is a simple ten dollar fee and your done. Texas on the other hand, has ridiculous processes in place that make renewing a bit of a hassle. My guess is the rules for renewal were originally implemented to calm the irrational fears of anti gun folks. Not that anyone cares but I think it is absurd that I have to pay almost 200 dollars in expenses and spend a half day in a classroom, to renew my CHL. I have no choice so I will go along with it. That doesn't mean I think it is right. There are many people who have to struggle to come up with such ridiculous fees. I will step off now...LOL.

texanjoker wrote:I'll probably get some heat on this, but IMO this thread is a perfect example, why one needs the CHL for the state they LIVE in, just like they need the driver's license for the state they LIVE in (few exceptions like active duty, ect). With those exceptions, they have their active duty ID to back up their out of state license so that is simple. The law gives so many days to get a TX license and car registration, CHL should be the same. Make it simple for everybody including the CHL carrier who is not sure if he is valid and the LEO that has to deal with the same CHL carrier on any potential contact. If a LEO runs a TX driver's license status now, it shows they have a TX CHL. A TX license is not going to show a UT or any other states CHL.

The same CHL then needs to be accepted everywhere just like the driver's license is anywhere in the nation. I know that is a long stretch, but it's the right thing to do.

Were you here a few years ago when renewals were taking months longer than they should have?

Many got out of state licenses then in case the DPS processing problems continued.

I wouldn't criticize folks who got other licenses because Texas DPS could not do their job.

Mike1951 wrote:

texanjoker wrote:I'll probably get some heat on this, but IMO this thread is a perfect example, why one needs the CHL for the state they LIVE in, just like they need the driver's license for the state they LIVE in (few exceptions like active duty, ect). With those exceptions, they have their active duty ID to back up their out of state license so that is simple. The law gives so many days to get a TX license and car registration, CHL should be the same. Make it simple for everybody including the CHL carrier who is not sure if he is valid and the LEO that has to deal with the same CHL carrier on any potential contact. If a LEO runs a TX driver's license status now, it shows they have a TX CHL. A TX license is not going to show a UT or any other states CHL.

The same CHL then needs to be accepted everywhere just like the driver's license is anywhere in the nation. I know that is a long stretch, but it's the right thing to do.

Were you here a few years ago when renewals were taking months longer than they should have?

Many got out of state licenses then in case the DPS processing problems continued.

I wouldn't criticize folks who got other licenses because Texas DPS could not do their job.

Funny you brought this up. This was exactly my reason. Now it is coming in handy. I am going to renew my Texas... I am strapped for cash right now and have to wait a few weeks. My son got his because he had been waiting for six months on his Texas. If memory serves, his Utah arrived before his Texas. He took his Texas CHL class in Houston and the Texas Department of Public Safety was blaming a hurricane for the delays. That year was a real mess for many of us getting our CHL's for the first time. I think I waited almost four months for mine.

texanjoker wrote:I'll probably get some heat on this, but IMO this thread is a perfect example, why one needs the CHL for the state they LIVE in, just like they need the driver's license for the state they LIVE in (few exceptions like active duty, ect).

I think new residents should have to get a marriage license in Texas within 30 days of moving here or the marital relationship is automatically dissolved. Maybe we can get Burnam to file the bill.