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MeMelYup wrote: The military doesn't practice enough for that type situation

We dont?
Huh,,,you sure?
Have you been in the same units I have over the last 28 years?...

Sure, a cook, Admin specialist, AH64 crew chief does not train to the same level as other MOS's.... but that is not the point.

And all off topic......

The thread was about a misconception that the law would punish, or at least lean toward a punitive nature for a lawful citizen that was forced to defend them self's using deadly force.

Based on what I have seen publicized here in Texas, I would say that is less an issue here.

MeMelYup wrote: Practice helps a lot. You must practice a lot to develope good muscle memory that will help in that type situation.
The military doesn't practice enough for that type situation, if they did they wouldn't use over a hundred rounds per kill. .

Being ex-military and a combat veteran, I'm curious where you got this information?

During a firefight in an urban setting with 5 or 6 combatants and 8 or so military, you can bet we will fire off a couple hundred rounds, especially if the combatants are under cover. That doesn't mean it takes me 100 rounds to down a guy though. I never remember seeing anyone dump more than 5 or so rounds into a combatant to immobilize. On the other hand, I've emptied 2 or 3 magazines worth if covering fire during flanking maneuvers and such.

Looks like E. Marquez beat me to it.

E.Marquez wrote:

MeMelYup wrote: The military doesn't practice enough for that type situation

We dont?
Huh,,,you sure?
Have you been in the same units I have over the last 28 years?...

Sure, a cook, Admin specialist, AH64 crew chief does not train to the same level as other MOS's.... but that is not the point.

And all off topic......

The thread was about a misconception that the law would punish, or at least lean toward a punitive nature for a lawful citizen that was forced to defend them self's using deadly force.

Based on what I have seen publicized here in Texas, I would say that is less an issue here.

Your telling me you were accurate at the start of your first few firefights?

Combat units train for combat. I trained for over a year before I ever went to my unit.

You better be accurate during any firefight, be it the first, second, or 30th. There are jitters maybe, but survival is a heck of a centering motivator. YMMV

MeMelYup wrote: Your telling me you were accurate at the start of your first few firefights?

Yes

proper training for the mission is critical, being accurate is the difference tween life and death cause your buddy isn't gonna resupply you if burn it all up

May I congratulate you on your admirable show of restraint, First Sergeant?
11A hoo-ah!

steve817 wrote:It should be hard to use it. A CHL is a license to carry a gun concealed, not a license to kill. It is a last resort, not the first thing you go to when a situation gets a little tense.

best advice I got was to think through in advance-- "what are the things that flip me to condition red?"

i.e., what are the triggers (no pun intended) that would force you to draw and fire on someone. Those are the "go" line, and anything short of that, you should be trying to avoid the confrontation in any way possible.

Acer wrote:best advice I got was to think through in advance-- "what are the things that flip me to condition red?"

i.e., what are the triggers (no pun intended) that would force you to draw and fire on someone. Those are the "go" line, and anything short of that, you should be trying to avoid the confrontation in any way possible.

U.S. Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

RottenApple wrote:

Acer wrote:best advice I got was to think through in advance-- "what are the things that flip me to condition red?"

i.e., what are the triggers (no pun intended) that would force you to draw and fire on someone. Those are the "go" line, and anything short of that, you should be trying to avoid the confrontation in any way possible.

U.S. Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

Words to live by.

I always like the, "Be the first to know when a gunfight is starting, being the last to know will certainly not provide an advantage." Or words to that effect.

Don't forget the go-to-eternal fire and brimstone-plan. And, in urban settings, because you'll rarely be alone communicate, co-ordinate. You have to know where your people are.

Andrew wrote:May I congratulate you on your admirable show of restraint, First Sergeant?
11A hoo-ah!

I see 11A is now the MOS for Infantry Officer. In my day it was 1542. 11B and 11C in my day were Infantry and Heavy Weapons Infantry (enlisted). No 11A then. When did this all change (just curious)?

G26ster wrote:

Andrew wrote:May I congratulate you on your admirable show of restraint, First Sergeant?
11A hoo-ah!

I see 11A is now the MOS for Infantry Officer. In my day it was 1542. 11B and 11C in my day were Infantry and Heavy Weapons Infantry (enlisted). No 11A then. When did this all change (just curious)?

It has not changed..in a bunch of years.... and of course is a differnt numbering system then the CORPS has.
An 11A is an Officer, infantry Branch.
11B is the enlisted infantry branch MOS E1-E8, and then there are a few possible Additional Skill Identifiers (ASI)
First Sergeant (1SG) is a lateral assignment, they are still an E-8 but while filling the 1SG duty position have an Skill Qualification Identifier (SQI) "M" that shows they are filling that position and not a master sergeant position.

11Z is the MOS for a US ARMY Senior enlisted Infantryman (Sergeant Major, E-9).

I am a 11Z with a few ASI's, and a couple of SQI's
ASI 8S senior-level sergeant-major experience (2 Star HQ and above)
B2--Light Leaders Course
B7--Bradley Transition Course
B8--Anti-Armor Leaders Course
E9--M901 (ITV) Gunner/Crew Training
P5--Master Fitness Trainer
2B--Air Assault
2C--Javelin Gunnery
2S--Battle Staff Operations
5A- Joint Air Tactical Operations, 5W—Jumpmaster.

SQIs (Special Qualification Identifiers)
H - Instructor
M - First Sergeant
N - Joint Planner
P - Parachutist
X - Drill Sergeant
Z - Alcohol and Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Program
2 - Training Development

and lots of training that has no geewizbang codes to identify them.

All of that and $4.95 gets me a Whopper JR special all day long at Burger King, means absolutely nothing to anyone but my employer.. and even less to folks on the internet

My apologies Sergeant Major.