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Liberty wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

Liberty wrote:If you like to shoot a lot, do the math and you will find that with the ammo savings it doesn't take long for a nice 9mm to pay for itself.

Your point really has no merit as a gunowner with a .22 could say the same thing. Smaller calibers, cost less to shot, its not rocket science. If I am in need of a gun in a self defense situation, I would rather have the .45 regardless of the cost of ammo.

22 s are fun too.

I was not suggesting that you give up the 45. Just a means of adding to your collection at no cost.

Actually I have a 9mm, it went to the range with me yesterday along with the .45. I always shoot the 9mm first that way I get to feel the power of the .45. 9mm is a good gun and round, but damn after loading a few 9mm's during my range session, I am always amazed at how big that .45 round really is when I loading it.

I can't speak for the Monarch ammo in .45 ACP, the .223 and 9mm both have performed flawlessly for me. I have shot several hundred rounds of Monarch .223 through my DPMS AR with no problems and pretty good accuracy. I put 100 rounds of Monarch through my Charles Daily HP with no malfunctions and good performance on the steel target I was using. It is a little dirty in the 9mm and seems to be plenty hot enough.

The Monarch is brass cased and reloadable it is made by Privi Partizan in Serbia.

MoJo wrote:I can't speak for the Monarch ammo in .45 ACP, the .223 and 9mm both have performed flawlessly for me. I have shot several hundred rounds of Monarch .223 through my DPMS AR with no problems and pretty good accuracy. I put 100 rounds of Monarch through my Charles Daily HP with no malfunctions and good performance on the steel target I was using. It is a little dirty in the 9mm and seems to be plenty hot enough.

The Monarch is brass cased and reloadable it is made by Privi Partizan in Serbia.

Actually I did some research on Monarch today and it seems that the .45 and 9mm ammo come in two forms. one is lacquered steel and one is not lacquered. I haven't read too much good on the .45 or 9mm monarch but I know the kids at Academy are trying to push it. I think I will just stay away from it.

I have tried the 9 mm Monarch. It is coated steel.

I worry too much about possible wear to save $1 a box by using it.

I think there's a lot to be said for praciticing with a cheaper caliber, The basic elements of sight alignment, trigger control, stance, and breathing are the same for any handgun.

You can practice a lot of handling techniques specific to a pistol with snap caps and dry firing.

If you feel that you have to shoot 100 rounds of .45 ACP a week, you're going to have to figure out how to pay for it.

- Jim

Not all Monarch is steel cased.

I have a box of 9mm FMJ's in front of me that have brass casings. I believe they were 5.86 a box at Academy...slightly higher than Blazer aluminum.

Can't comment on their accuracy or reliability since I haven't shot any yet, but they do come highly recommended.

These rounds are made in Serbia and have an "nny" head stamp. I believe there were, or possibly still are, some steel cased Russian Monarch in circulation. I don't use steel cased ammunition in any of my guns.

If they work out they may be an alternate to Blazer aluminum for practice ammo. I've shot literally thousands of rounds of Blazer aluminum with very few failures, so it will probably remain as my everyday practice ammunition.

RKirby wrote:Not all Monarch is steel cased.

Right, the Monarch in the GREEN box is Brass cased, boxer primed, and made in Serbia. The Monarch in the BLUE box is steel cased Russian made ammo. I cannot comment on the Russian ammo, as I have only used the Serbian ammo. I will continue to use it as long as the price is right.

On a side note - - - I bought 10 boxes of .45 ACP Blazer Brass for $9.95/bx of 50 today at a local WallyWorld.

MoJo wrote:

RKirby wrote:Not all Monarch is steel cased.

Right, the Monarch in the GREEN box is Brass cased, boxer primed, and made in Serbia. The Monarch in the BLUE box is steel cased Russian made ammo. I cannot comment on the Russian ammo, as I have only used the Serbian ammo. I will continue to use it as long as the price is right.

On a side note - - - I bought 10 boxes of .45 ACP Blazer Brass for $9.95/bx of 50 today at a local WallyWorld.

my wally world has those for 10.97. I am going to have to complain, LOL.

On the Russian Monarch ammo: The box that I bought was marked "Made in Russia." It was FMJ and I don't remember the bullet weight. All 50 rounds worked fine and were as accurate as anything else I have used.

- Jim

A decent place to get range ammo in DFW is Military Gun Supply. They carry new manufacture Fiocchi that burns cleaner than WWB and is plenty accurate.

CWOOD wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:, I would rather have the .45 regardless of the cost of ammo.

ME TOO!!

Maybe we should start "Reloading Clubs" to partner up with our "Shooting Clubs". I'm joking a little, but not much.

I just took up carbine matches with Texas Tactical, so now I am trying to feed TWO bottomless pits. They say .223 used to be cheap. I just bought 1000 rounds of Wolf Black Box for $189 shipped. That was the cheapest I could find...and my kids like to shoot too.

You gotta love it.

By the way, 9mm is not THAT much cheaper anymore Maybe $6/100.

Thats not a bad idea...Reloading clubs...

I just got back a while ago from the GRB show today...

I have to say I am actually a little worried about these ammo prices...

And more so about availability of certain calibers...

I did see .40 Winchester (white boxes) going for about $20 for 50

Some of the premium self-defence loads are pretty steep anyway...But I am thinking we'd pay for that...

The one box of .45/70 I bought was actually cheaper than some of the other gunshops I've been to lately by about a buck or two...But I think thats not par for the course...

Something else to ponder...I heard a rumor that China is buying up ammo and chopping it up for raw materials like brass and lead for some silly reason...But that rumor doesn't make much sense I suppose...

I'm beginning to worry about the quality of the "cheap" reload stuff coming out of "T's" in Texas City (but he's shutting down shop I hear)...

Texas Munitions...I was going through some of that stuff and found a round that basically had the bullet backwards in the casing...Charged and primed ready to fly...

But I guess thats what you get when you buy some of that bulk stuff from those folks...99% might be ok to run through your guns, but its that occasional squib that can really ruin your day if your not careful...

I probably only have about 5-600 rounds of this loose reloaded stuff around...Its well accounted for...

But if there is one tell-tale sign of slim times coming, its the .223 market...The cost and availability of that stuff may be a tattletale for us to keep track of of any trend in ammo issues...

FYI...

I guess the one "good" thing I saw was the Remington .40 FMJ (green and white box of 50) is going for about $13 a box...

I may be making more trips to WalMart for some ammo...

Gunshow ammo is getting to be a bit funny (weird) to me...

stevie_d_64 wrote:
Gunshow ammo is getting to be a bit funny (weird) to me...

I bought a case of reloaded .45 at a recent gunshow here. After I got it home I found a whole bunch of it had been made up with home cast bullets. Really bad.
I had to make a bullet trimmer to chuck into my drill. Then size every one of those, so they would feed into the chamber.

By the time I was through, trimming, wiping, tumbling it was about three times as much work as it would be loading my own.

lrb111 wrote:

stevie_d_64 wrote:
Gunshow ammo is getting to be a bit funny (weird) to me...

I bought a case of reloaded .45 at a recent gunshow here. After I got it home I found a whole bunch of it had been made up with home cast bullets. Really bad.
I had to make a bullet trimmer to chuck into my drill. Then size every one of those, so they would feed into the chamber.

By the time I was through, trimming, wiping, tumbling it was about three times as much work as it would be loading my own.

Thats why I don't buy reloads from anyone. I don't do my own because I figure that for 10.97 a box at wally world, I couldn't do it much cheaper.

I reload for my .45's, and it's a lot cheaper than buying commercial ammo.

I'm gathering brass for my AR's so I can load my own 5.56 ammo as well. I picked up some Hornady brass from a fellow TCHL member, and am firing the Monarch to collect more.

I already load my own .30-06 for the Garand and 7.62x51 for my S-308 (Saiga). I have a large enough stockpile of 7.62x39 remaining from when ammo was considerably less expensive for feeding my AK's and SKS.

Right2Carry wrote:

Liberty wrote:If you like to shoot a lot, do the math and you will find that with the ammo savings it doesn't take long for a nice 9mm to pay for itself.

Your point really has no merit as a gunowner with a .22 could say the same thing. Smaller calibers, cost less to shot, its not rocket science. If I am in need of a gun in a self defense situation, I would rather have the .45 regardless of the cost of ammo.

Ever tried to find some cheap .25 Auto???