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bdickens wrote:

lrpettit wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

bdickens wrote:Personally, I think you are legally, morally and ethically bound to get some business of your own so you can go mind it.

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I don't think winning a friend was one of his goals in making that post. Although I wouldn't have phrased it that way, to a large extent I agree with him.

Yeah, it's the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. If you want to get down to the very root of what is wrong with our country, it is people who can barely run their own lives running around telling others how to run theirs.

So someone else distilled someone else's 10 hour class down to 5.

Does it injure you? No. Maybe. They may not have the training needed and end up shooting me

Does it cause damage to your property? No. Maybe. They may not have the training needed and end up shooting my house or car

Does it take money away from you? No. Maybe as they will go to that instructor because they are a shorter class.

Then it isn't your business. What is really important here, that someone is forced to endure 10 boring hours in a hot, stuffy classroom, or that he can pass the test?

The idea of reporting a condensed CHL class makes me think of a cop busting someone for spitting on the sidewalk while the bank across the street is getting robbed.

I'm gonna beg to differ here. The CHL training standards and time length have been put in place and they are the requirement for all that take the class. If someone who gets to shortcut the time and training requirements is involved in a self defense shooting there is a good chance the training portion will be reviewed. It will be found that person did not get the proper training and the certified CHL instructor was cheating and allowing students to take a shorter class. This will then reflect on the CHL program as a whole that there are those instructors who are only in it for the money and allowing shortcuts.

Bottom line, if a requirement for having a license to drive a car, fly and airplane, or to carry a handgun exists, then all who do so need to meet the minimum requirements to have that license to drive, fly or carry and if they don't I don't want them doing so and will turn in the instructor to the proper authorities.

People will "create drama" just to have drama and this means inserting themselves into situations they have no reason being in.

Playing devils advocate, let's change the situation a little because your argument intrigues me. I could answer your questions the exact same way for each of these I see but not against me:

murder
drug deal
rape
aggravated assault
robbery

These are each against the law and one would expect a citizen to report these to the proper authorities.

Just a thought I had.....

bdickens wrote: Yeah, it's the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. If you want to get down to the very root of what is wrong with our country, it is people who can barely run their own lives running around telling others how to run theirs.

So someone else distilled someone else's 10 hour class down to 5.

Does it injure you? No.

Does it cause damage to your property? No.

Does it take money away from you? No.

Then it isn't your business. What is really important here, that someone is forced to endure 10 boring hours in a hot, stuffy classroom, or that he can pass the test?

The idea of reporting a condensed CHL class makes me think of a cop busting someone for spitting on the sidewalk while the bank across the street is getting robbed.

RX8er wrote:People will "create drama" just to have drama and this means inserting themselves into situations they have no reason being in.

Playing devils advocate, let's change the situation a little because your argument intrigues me. I could answer your questions the exact same way for each of these I see but not against me:

murder
drug deal
rape
aggravated assault
robbery

These are each against the law and one would expect a citizen to report these to the proper authorities.

Just a thought I had.....

So, do you call the cops whenever you see someone spitting on the sidewalk? Or jaywalking? Or serving up a 32oz soft drink (only applicable in NYC)?

Why not? Those are against the law too.

bdickens wrote:

RX8er wrote:People will "create drama" just to have drama and this means inserting themselves into situations they have no reason being in.

Playing devils advocate, let's change the situation a little because your argument intrigues me. I could answer your questions the exact same way for each of these I see but not against me:

murder
drug deal
rape
aggravated assault
robbery

These are each against the law and one would expect a citizen to report these to the proper authorities.

Just a thought I had.....

So, do you call the cops whenever you see someone spitting on the sidewalk? Or jaywalking? Or serving up a 32oz soft drink (only applicable in NYC)?

Why not? Those are against the law too.

It boils down to what's a big deal or not. The ones you mention are not safety related other than the jaywalking which is only realted to their safety normally. It's called a little common sense. You can't always draw a black and white line between right and wrong.

Exactly.

Considering an instructor can go to prison for a 5 hour class claiming it to be 10 hours is a big deal.... And yes, there are a couple there for that right now and the DPS sounded rather proud of it.