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Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:07 pm
by longtooth
JALLEN wrote:There is absolutely no way any such law could pass, or pass Constitutional muster.
Incorrect sir. One new judge on the supreme court & it will pass & then pass again when challanged as unconstitutional.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:39 pm
by baldeagle
Everyone who reads this MUST contact your Senators and in the strongest language possible explain to them that they must take a stand and stop this bill from ever coming to a vote. If it passes the Senate, there will be civil war. It cannot be allowed to pass the Senate. The American people will not stand for it.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:42 pm
by baldeagle
SEC. 201. PURPOSE.

The purpose of this title is to extend the Brady Law background check procedures to all sales and transfers of firearms.

SEC. 202. FIREARMS TRANSFERS.

(a) In General- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by repealing subsection (s);

(2) by redesignating subsection (t) as subsection (s);

(3) in subsection (s), as redesignated--

(A) in paragraph (3)(C)(ii), by striking `(as defined in subsection (s)(8))'; and

(B) by adding at the end the following:

`(7) In this subsection, the term `chief law enforcement officer' means the chief of police, the sheriff, or an equivalent officer or the designee of any such individual.'; and

(4) by inserting after subsection (s), as redesignated, the following:

`(t)(1) Beginning on the date that is 180 days after the date of enactment of this subsection, it shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (s). Upon taking possession of the firearm, the licensee shall comply with all requirements of this chapter as if the licensee were transferring the firearm from the licensee's inventory to the unlicensed transferee.

`(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

`(A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between parents and their children, between siblings, or between grandparents and their grandchildren;

`(B) a transfer made from a decedent's estate, pursuant to a legal will or the operation of law;

`(C) a temporary transfer of possession that occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unlicensed transferee, if --

`(i) the temporary transfer of possession occurs in the home or curtilage of the unlicensed transferor;

`(ii) the firearm is not removed from that home or curtilage during the temporary transfer; and

`(iii) the transfer has a duration of less than 7 days; and

`(D) a temporary transfer of possession without transfer of title made in connection with lawful hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer occurs--

`(i) at a shooting range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the premises of the shooting range;

`(ii) at a target firearm shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by a State agency or nonprofit organization and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the premises of the shooting competition; and

`(iii) while hunting or trapping, if--

`(I) the activity is legal in all places where the unlicensed transferee possesses the firearm;

`(II) the temporary transfer of possession occurs during the designated hunting season; and

`(III) the unlicensed transferee holds any required license or permit.

`(3) For purposes of this subsection, the term `transfer'--

`(A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and

`(B) shall not include temporary possession of the firearm for purposes of examination or evaluation by a prospective transferee while in the presence of the prospective transferee.

`(4)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this subsection with regulations.

`(B) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph--

`(i) shall include a provision setting a maximum fee that may be charged by licensees for services provided in accordance with paragraph (1); and

`(ii) shall include a provision requiring a record of transaction of any transfer that occurred between an unlicensed transferor and unlicensed transferee accordance with paragraph (1).'.

(b) Technical and Conforming Amendments-

(1) SECTION 922- Section 922(y)(2) of title 18, United States Code, is amended, in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by striking `, (g)(5)(B), and (s)(3)(B)(v)(II)' and inserting `and (g)(5)(B)'.

(2) SECTION 925A- Section 925A of title 18, United States Code, is amended, in the matter preceding paragraph (1), by striking `subsection (s) or (t) of section 922' and inserting `section 922(s)'.

SEC. 203. LOST AND STOLEN REPORTING.

(a) In General- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end--

`(aa) It shall be unlawful for any person who lawfully possesses or owns a firearm that has been shipped or transported in, or has been possessed in or affecting, interstate or foreign commerce, to fail to report the theft or loss of the firearm, within 24 hours after the person discovers the theft or loss, to the Attorney General and to the appropriate local authorities.'.

(b) Penalty- Section 924(a)(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:

`(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (q), or (aa) of section 922;'.

SEC. 204. EFFECTIVE DATE.

The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:20 am
by mamabearCali
I am shocked it passed the committee level :mad5 :banghead: . What in this world.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:36 am
by suthdj
Well unless they can disarm the population between now and the next couple elections I only see them cutting thier own throats. That being said they have some huge eggs.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:52 am
by chasfm11
mamabearCali wrote:I am shocked it passed the committee level :mad5 :banghead: . What in this world.
It is simply those who have harbored these same "aspirations" coming to the fore when they perceive that they can succeed. Schumer is actually worse than Feinstein for me because at least she is "in your face" about what she wants while slimy weasel Schumer tries to sneak it behind your back. Neither of them simply rolled out of bed on a recent morning and decided "I'm going to grab guns today." They've been plotting this stuff for years, waiting for the chance.

I would love to have about 2 hours with Senator Schumer on a waterboard to find out exactly how much of the rest of Agenda 21 he has bought into. I'm betting it is the whole enchilada.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:53 am
by anygunanywhere
chasfm11 wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:I am shocked it passed the committee level :mad5 :banghead: . What in this world.
It is simply those who have harbored these same "aspirations" coming to the fore when they perceive that they can succeed. Schumer is actually worse than Feinstein for me because at least she is "in your face" about what she wants while slimy weasel Schumer tries to sneak it behind your back. Neither of them simply rolled out of bed on a recent morning and decided "I'm going to grab guns today." They've been plotting this stuff for years, waiting for the chance.

I would love to have about 2 hours with Senator Schumer on a waterboard to find out exactly how much of the rest of Agenda 21 he has bought into. I'm betting it is the whole enchilada.
I like the way you thimk.

Anygnanywhere

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:03 am
by Redneck_Buddha
suthdj wrote:Well unless they can disarm the population between now and the next couple elections I only see them cutting thier own throats. That being said they have some huge eggs.
You say huge eggs. I say arrogant and delusional.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:31 am
by jmra
Redneck_Buddha wrote:
suthdj wrote:Well unless they can disarm the population between now and the next couple elections I only see them cutting thier own throats. That being said they have some huge eggs.
You say huge eggs. I say arrogant and delusional.
:thumbs2:
Hoping they lay an egg.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:56 am
by VMI77
JALLEN wrote:There is absolutely no way any such law could pass, or pass Constitutional muster.

I don't know about that anymore. They're only one SC justice short. In any case, it is insight into their disposition and lack of character and integrity. They want to put a productive citizen in prison for five years for letting a friend shoot a gun he doesn't own, and on the gun owner's own private property. They'd let an armed robber who assaulted someone off with less time in prison, but they want to make a productive citizen a felon and destroy him and his family for what amounts to a thought crime. Anyone who votes for this is not only a traitor but a despicable excuse for a human being.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:42 am
by tommyg
I only own revolvers but I wanted the SA License. I rented
a 9mm Glock to take my test from a gun school that has
a range on site I only had it on the range. Took my test and
returned it . Under this law if it passes It would be a Felony. :deadhorse:

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:23 am
by RoyGBiv
I'm not trying to excuse Schumers bill, I find it disgusting that a US Senator of any color would propose such a thing.
But I also find it not-useful to intentionally misrepresent its' contents to create misplaced anger.
It makes us (those who would oppose the bill) seem like the idiots the Left tries to portray us as.

Here's the teeth of it...
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legisla ... B13180.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Under this bill...
1. Temporary possession ("loaning") is allowed at shooting ranges
2. Temporary possession ("loaning") is allowed for hunting
3. Transfer between close relatives is allowed
shall not apply to
(A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between
parents and their children, between siblings, or be-
tween grandparents and their grandchildren;
And let's not forget... Without "Registration", none of this is possible. And registration is illegal.

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:35 am
by jmra
AndyC wrote:This doesn't sound they're only coming after our guns - they're coming after us :totap:
:iagree:

Re: Shumer’s gun transfer ban flypaper felonies

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:46 am
by MeMelYup
RoyGBiv wrote:I'm not trying to excuse Schumers bill, I find it disgusting that a US Senator of any color would propose such a thing.
But I also find it not-useful to intentionally misrepresent its' contents to create misplaced anger.
It makes us (those who would oppose the bill) seem like the idiots the Left tries to portray us as.

Here's the teeth of it...
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legisla ... B13180.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Under this bill...
1. Temporary possession ("loaning") is allowed at shooting ranges
2. Temporary possession ("loaning") is allowed for hunting
3. Transfer between close relatives is allowed
shall not apply to
(A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between
parents and their children, between siblings, or be-
tween grandparents and their grandchildren;
And let's not forget... Without "Registration", none of this is possible. And registration is illegal.
Only until they make it legal according to law not constitution.