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and I thought it was H&K that didn't like it's customers.

Hummm . . . . . Buy American . . . M&P no restrictions on the blue gun M&P or, go traditional 1911 same story. My blue gun is a 1911, and I'll get me an M&P soon. Glock, we don't need no stinkin' Glock.

Jar Jar wrote:Buy the XD instead. Blue gun and real gun. Or one of these. http://blueguns.com/shopexd.asp?id=185" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:) Currently have XD9 Subcompact and a XDM .45. I like them very much. Just couldn't wrap my head around why Glock would want to limit the sales of something that would help people train and safely use their products.

MoJo wrote: Glock, we don't need no stinkin' Glock.

Now your just piling on and stirring the pot!!!

You can hate Glock's all you want. Glock sales their quality guns to LE's, military, fire, reserves, ect for excellent prices... Just check Gt's website to see for yourself. They also didn't come out with lame policies saying they wouldn't sale to local LEO's guns for work when other companies did

We actually got some training glocks that are orange. They are training and have a laser on the trigger. It is great to see who may or may not be placing their finger on the trigger when they shouldn't, and to see where you would be shooting if you took the shot.

Syntyr wrote:NOTICE GLOCKS ARE BACK!
Glock has recently issued a New Contract with Ring's Manufacturing Inc. (BLUEGUNS) to manufacture Glock Blueguns as we have been doing for the past 10 years. This new contract states that Glock restricts the sale of Glock Blueguns to the Public. We are restricted to selling Glock Blueguns to the Police, Military, Trainers, Police Distributors, or Holster Manufacturers. We ask that our customers abide by these rules and refrain from offering Glock Blueguns to the Public on the Internet, Publications or General Catalogs. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your support.

The way I read this is that Glock has provided in their contract with Blueguns that the contract restricts the sale of the blueguns TO the public. Then, in poor wording, Blueguns looks like they are adding the notation that they will now restrict the sales of their blueguns to the 'public' only and will not sell to police etc. Sort of a play on words or tongue in cheek for when the lawyers get their hands on contracts and work orders. I could be wrong - but really, how stupid would it be to sell only to the public, nobody else, and ask that no-one else sell the blueguns to the police etc.

couzin wrote:

Syntyr wrote:NOTICE GLOCKS ARE BACK!
Glock has recently issued a New Contract with Ring's Manufacturing Inc. (BLUEGUNS) to manufacture Glock Blueguns as we have been doing for the past 10 years. This new contract states that Glock restricts the sale of Glock Blueguns to the Public. We are restricted to selling Glock Blueguns to the Police, Military, Trainers, Police Distributors, or Holster Manufacturers. We ask that our customers abide by these rules and refrain from offering Glock Blueguns to the Public on the Internet, Publications or General Catalogs. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your support.

The way I read this is that Glock has provided in their contract with Blueguns that the contract restricts the sale of the blueguns TO the public. Then, in poor wording, Blueguns looks like they are adding the notation that they will now restrict the sales of their blueguns to the 'public' only and will not sell to police etc. Sort of a play on words or tongue in cheek for when the lawyers get their hands on contracts and work orders. I could be wrong - but really, how stupid would it be to sell only to the public, nobody else, and ask that no-one else sell the blueguns to the police etc.

you are reading it backwards- but the language used is awful - they need to hire a proof reader

"that the contract restricts the sale of the blueguns TO the public. " restricts or limits guns sold to public
"We ask that our customers abide by these rules and refrain from offering Glock Blueguns to the Public " clarifies the intention some
the used the word restricted 2 different confusing ways

couzin wrote:

Syntyr wrote:NOTICE GLOCKS ARE BACK!
Glock has recently issued a New Contract with Ring's Manufacturing Inc. (BLUEGUNS) to manufacture Glock Blueguns as we have been doing for the past 10 years. This new contract states that Glock restricts the sale of Glock Blueguns to the Public. We are restricted to selling Glock Blueguns to the Police, Military, Trainers, Police Distributors, or Holster Manufacturers. We ask that our customers abide by these rules and refrain from offering Glock Blueguns to the Public on the Internet, Publications or General Catalogs. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your support.

The way I read this is that Glock has provided in their contract with Blueguns that the contract restricts the sale of the blueguns TO the public. Then, in poor wording, Blueguns looks like they are adding the notation that they will now restrict the sales of their blueguns to the 'public' only and will not sell to police etc. Sort of a play on words or tongue in cheek for when the lawyers get their hands on contracts and work orders. I could be wrong - but really, how stupid would it be to sell only to the public, nobody else, and ask that no-one else sell the blueguns to the police etc.

Well agree or not, I guess if YOU can read it that way, it's possible it was intended to be so..
Though, your take on what it says does not match mine
In any case, hopefully Monday or Tuesday Glock will get back to me with an actual answer vs our guess

They can't take away our real guns, not yet anyway, but I think its an officer safety thing.

I can only theorize that the reasoning behind limiting "blue guns" sales to law enforcement is to reduce the number of blue guns on the street for the purposes of limiting misidentification of real guns painted blue to cause hesitation by officers. Just like some BG's painting their guns or parts of it orange to make the officers believe it was a toy.

It's unfortunate that officers have shot kids with toy guns but if I had a doubt even as a civilian having to make a split second decision factoring in all the circumstances, who knows what can happen. That's why my kids don't play with toy guns because guns are not toys.

When they are old enough they I will teach them how to use the real deal. At no time do I want them ever to get the idea that guns are toys and confuse the real thing for a toy.

Blueguns have their place for training purposes and for other sales purpose like fitting holters and accessories (go to Top Brass in Stafford, those blue sales/display AR's have better optics and gadgets than mine)

On paper, it's silly they can sell you the real thing but won't sell you the plastic fake one but maybe there is some thought that went into that decision. At least I would like to think so.

I just thought of something else. Can you manufacture a working firearm or parts of one out of the blue gun? Maybe with the right know how, get a bunch of extra parts and you have an unregistered weapon? Sort of like using the AR15 reciever blanks, buying all the jigs and such and milling out the parts your self.

LSUTiger wrote: I just thought of something else. Can you manufacture a working firearm or parts of one out of the blue gun? Maybe with the right know how, get a bunch of extra parts and you have an unregistered weapon? Sort of like using the AR15 reciever blanks, buying all the jigs and such and milling out the parts your self.

No. Blue guns are nothing more than hard rubber blocks molded in the exact shape of the real firearm. In some cases, they're even weighted to better simulate the depicted firearm.

cbunt1 wrote:

LSUTiger wrote: I just thought of something else. Can you manufacture a working firearm or parts of one out of the blue gun? Maybe with the right know how, get a bunch of extra parts and you have an unregistered weapon? Sort of like using the AR15 reciever blanks, buying all the jigs and such and milling out the parts your self.

No. Blue guns are nothing more than hard rubber blocks molded in the exact shape of the real firearm. In some cases, they're even weighted to better simulate the depicted firearm.

I know what they are and purely as a point of technically, can it be done?, for the sake of arguement, I'll have to disagree with you on that.

Not that I have done it or heard of it being done to blue guns in particular. But having seen people buy blank ar lowers or 80% ar lowers without FFL's all legal and then doing the machine work themselves in their garage with a drill press makes me wonder why would they do it and why not not just buy a new gun? So the goverment doesn't know you have it so they wont know to look for it when confiscation is eventually enacted ( give it time, the gun control push aint over yet)! And its legal ( building your own).

Perhaps not all training guns types for all gun models are suited for machining a receiver out of it but the ones I've seen are nothing but solid chunks of polymer. All milled receivers start out as solid chunks of something. Yet, with the correct machining all the unwanted stuff becomes empty space for you to put parts into and all these receivers become part of guns eventually.

Taking measurements off a real receiver, any half decent machinist or even someone knowledgeable about machining and acess to maching equipment should be able to transform a chunk of polymer into a receiver.

Add the after market slide, barrel, trigger and other components, all no FFL needed items to get, fit them to your new receiver milled from a blue gun. It may not be as pretty as a factory original injection molded polymer receiver or even fit or function as well but I bet you can get it to go "bang".

I'd just go buy a new gun but someone looking to benefit from obtaining legal "off the books" copies of guns would really benefit from a pre-formed exterior chunk of polymer that is the actual shape of the real deal.

So is it possible, yes, I think so, is it being done? Is that the reason Glock is not selling blue guns to the public? It would probably be easier just to steal a gun than to manufacture. But not all of us are thieves, but just would rather not have to deal with the government in obtaining a firearm legally.



For reference Ar blanks and jigs....
http://www.cncguns.com/tooling.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rfTeC9vozSo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pE4gJ3hQXP8&feature=fvwrel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=dBACCfFmUPw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To many to list.....

I bet you could do this with the right ar polymer blue gun, cut away the barrel and stock, and upper, machine whats left.

Atf...legal to build your own...
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearm ... ology.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
See question 4. I tried to find a better reference on the site but I got tired of typing......

Nobody is making functional firearms from blue guns any more than they are from paper clips and weed eater string.

LSUTiger wrote:They can't take away our real guns, not yet anyway, but I think its an officer safety thing.

I can only theorize that the reasoning behind limiting "blue guns" sales to law enforcement is to reduce the number of blue guns on the street for the purposes of limiting misidentification of real guns painted blue to cause hesitation by officers. Just like some BG's painting their guns or parts of it orange to make the officers believe it was a toy.

It's unfortunate that officers have shot kids with toy guns but if I had a doubt even as a civilian having to make a split second decision factoring in all the circumstances, who knows what can happen. That's why my kids don't play with toy guns because guns are not toys.

When they are old enough they I will teach them how to use the real deal. At no time do I want them ever to get the idea that guns are toys and confuse the real thing for a toy.

Blueguns have their place for training purposes and for other sales purpose like fitting holters and accessories (go to Top Brass in Stafford, those blue sales/display AR's have better optics and gadgets than mine)

On paper, it's silly they can sell you the real thing but won't sell you the plastic fake one but maybe there is some thought that went into that decision. At least I would like to think so.

I just thought of something else. Can you manufacture a working firearm or parts of one out of the blue gun? Maybe with the right know how, get a bunch of extra parts and you have an unregistered weapon? Sort of like using the AR15 reciever blanks, buying all the jigs and such and milling out the parts your self.

I was at GT's and actually saw a real blue gun. It was a sig I think. Something I had never seen before.

Does the Glock bluegun shoot your knee cap off the way the regular Glock does? Just Wondering?

Hamourkiller wrote:Does the Glock bluegun shoot your knee cap off the way the regular Glock does? Just Wondering?

Only the incompetent idiots. Same as the regular Glock.