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jmra wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

E10 wrote:You may, by the letter and spirit of the constitution, have a right to fight, but you should understand that's a battle you're almost sure to lose, with up to fatal results. The cops or the feds are going to be better staffed, armed, and equipped than you are. Better to let them take your guns (those they can find, anyway) and fight the battle in the courts. It'll give Mr. Cotton something to do. The right to keep and bear arms doesn't mean much if you're not alive to exercise it.

It also doesn't mean much if you're not willing to die for it.

But what do you do if your 13 yr old and 11 yr old are sitting in the living room when they knock on the door. I may be willing to die defending those rights but I know my boys would grad their ARs (that we lost in the boating accident) the same time I grab mine. Would you be willing to let them die beside you? Or would you along with your boys live to fight another day?

What do you think our founding fathers did when the British showed up at their doors? I would hope that my children would be as ready to die for liberty as I am. They will be if I raised them right. Would I be willing to have my children die beside me? I would be proud. I'd rather they die beside me than live in slavery. Which is worse? A death with honor? Or a life of cowardice and slavery?

I can't even believe there's a question about this. You're either willing to die for liberty or you're willing to be a slave. A lot of good men, including my cousin, have done just that.

If your boys would grab their ARs, then it seems to me that they've already made that choice (and congratulations for teaching your children right).

baldeagle wrote:

jmra wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

E10 wrote:You may, by the letter and spirit of the constitution, have a right to fight, but you should understand that's a battle you're almost sure to lose, with up to fatal results. The cops or the feds are going to be better staffed, armed, and equipped than you are. Better to let them take your guns (those they can find, anyway) and fight the battle in the courts. It'll give Mr. Cotton something to do. The right to keep and bear arms doesn't mean much if you're not alive to exercise it.

It also doesn't mean much if you're not willing to die for it.

But what do you do if your 13 yr old and 11 yr old are sitting in the living room when they knock on the door. I may be willing to die defending those rights but I know my boys would grad their ARs (that we lost in the boating accident) the same time I grab mine. Would you be willing to let them die beside you? Or would you along with your boys live to fight another day?

What do you think our founding fathers did when the British showed up at their doors? I would hope that my children would be as ready to die for liberty as I am. They will be if I raised them right. Would I be willing to have my children die beside me? I would be proud. I'd rather they die beside me than live in slavery. Which is worse? A death with honor? Or a life of cowardice and slavery?

I can't even believe there's a question about this. You're either willing to die for liberty or you're willing to be a slave. A lot of good men, including my cousin, have done just that.

If your boys would grab their ARs, then it seems to me that they've already made that choice (and congratulations for teaching your children right).

Trust me, the boys would beat me to the safe. But, I have to believe by the time they got to my house they would be facing more than the four of us.

RAM4171 wrote: Too bad I lost all of my guns in a tragic boating accident.

When you feel it is time to hide your guns, that is the time to use them or the cause is lost!!

jmra wrote:Trust me, the boys would beat me to the safe. But, I have to believe by the time they got to my house they would be facing more than the four of us.

My son would be bringing more ammo as well as additional firearms.

I believe that each one of us has to make a decision before hand, before that knock on the door. This is the ultimate decision for I love my family more than life itself but I also have taught them there are things worse than dying, like living in fear and oppression and some ideals are greater than the individual.

Do we think our Forefathers didn't have to make the same choice? Did they not love their children? Did they not know that some would die? I imagine they were labeled as criminals and zealots as some of us may have been.

Personally I have never thought I needed a gun until someone comes to take it from me, God help me if that day should ever arrive.

IMHO, Our forefathers who fought the British army when they came to the door probably lost and didn't accomplish much. Those that banded together after they came to the door (and then fought) were probably much more effective. Reference the movie "The Patriot". I would be much more effective at helping to win "the war" after they took my guns then having a shootout on the front doorstep. I wouldn't let the enemy choose the ground and rules for the battle.

The possibility of what's being discussed here is one of the reasons why I've become more vocal against the assault on our rights. If we step out of the shadows & make it known that ours is a shared & common view LONG BEFORE it comes to confiscation then we won't be in the position to have to make this choice. That's why it's vital that the calls-to-action be answered loudly & emphatically (respectfully & with decorum, of course). A few weeks ago our voices were heard. We demonstrated that the anti's claim of 90% was a bald-faced lie. So I look at this article as motivation to stay in the fight so we don't get to that point.

TexasCajun wrote:The possibility of what's being discussed here is one of the reasons why I've become more vocal against the assault on our rights. If we step out of the shadows & make it known that ours is a shared & common view LONG BEFORE it comes to confiscation then we won't be in the position to have to make this choice. That's why it's vital that the calls-to-action be answered loudly & emphatically (respectfully & with decorum, of course). A few weeks ago our voices were heard. We demonstrated that the anti's claim of 90% was a bald-faced lie. So I look at this article as motivation to stay in the fight so we don't get to that point.

Certainly fighting the political battle beforehand (before mass confiscations) is much easier than other options. New York is temporarily losing the political battle so they are having to try the courts. Hopefully before it escalates or spreads, the political battle will be won again.

I don't believe there will be mass confiscations in Texas in my lifetime. However, I don't think most of America's children are being taught to fight for their rights like my generation was. If something doesn't change, the oppressors will win (trading liberty for safety has some momentum since 9/11) and several generations down the road the story may be different.

TexasCajun wrote:The possibility of what's being discussed here is one of the reasons why I've become more vocal against the assault on our rights. If we step out of the shadows & make it known that ours is a shared & common view LONG BEFORE it comes to confiscation then we won't be in the position to have to make this choice. That's why it's vital that the calls-to-action be answered loudly & emphatically (respectfully & with decorum, of course). A few weeks ago our voices were heard. We demonstrated that the anti's claim of 90% was a bald-faced lie. So I look at this article as motivation to stay in the fight so we don't get to that point.

EXACTLY! Well-stated. They win when we sit silent and let them get away with it.

Having spent many days, many years actually, observing greatly motivated, untrained, pathetically equipped men successfully take on the Greatest Armies in the world with old rifles, revolvers, a few Mil grade weapons and homemade explosives.. I shake my head each time someone spouts the nonsense of "lay down your weapons, give up, if the government comes, there is nothing you can do."

Not so my friends, not so..
Just saying, the old adage, If there is a will, there is a way.. Is never more true than that above.

The Soldier does not want for war. The Soldier Citizen does not want for revolution.. For the Soldier knows the horror and tragedy that comes with a fight.

E10 wrote:You may, by the letter and spirit of the constitution, have a right to fight, but you should understand that's a battle you're almost sure to lose, with up to fatal results. The cops or the feds are going to be better staffed, armed, and equipped than you are. Better to let them take your guns (those they can find, anyway) and fight the battle in the courts. It'll give Mr. Cotton something to do. The right to keep and bear arms doesn't mean much if you're not alive to exercise it.

Obviously people's line in the sand is different.

Anygunanywhere

RAM4171 wrote: Too bad I lost all of my guns in a tragic boating accident.

I still have all of my legally purchased, legally owned firearms and ammunition. I do not care who knows it. The current administration is just like any other tyrant. They will send someone else to do their confiscating for them. They will send someone's mother, father, son, daughter, sister, brother. They do not have the guts to do it themselves.

Bring it, tyrants.

Anygunanywhere

Everyone here needs to also understand that when they come and knock for your firearms, they will take everything you own including your food and water supplies and anything else of value.

Executive Order 13603

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03 ... 2-7019.pdf

You and your family will starve to death. Feel better about rolling over and showing your belly?


The good guys are not going to save us.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-2 ... ng-save-us

It is up to you.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:

E10 wrote:You may, by the letter and spirit of the constitution, have a right to fight, but you should understand that's a battle you're almost sure to lose, with up to fatal results. The cops or the feds are going to be better staffed, armed, and equipped than you are. Better to let them take your guns (those they can find, anyway) and fight the battle in the courts. It'll give Mr. Cotton something to do. The right to keep and bear arms doesn't mean much if you're not alive to exercise it.

Obviously people's line in the sand is different.

Anygunanywhere

From my cold dead hands