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All I see is a law requiring the business to post the sign. Can you show me where it says it's illegal for Bubba to have a shotgun in a country store that sells beer?

Page 32 of this doc should point you to any applicable laws

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thetexan wrote: 'The unlicsenced possession of a firearm on these premises is a felony and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine,,,;

To the CHL'er, it's the "welcome, friend" of gun signs. It also means, "quit looking for the 30.06 sign, it;s not here." ...lol

The sign says 'Unliscenced Posession." Since there's no such thing as a liscence requirement to posess a firearm in the Stata of Texas, this sign is nonsense! My CHL is 'Liscenced Concealed Carry." The only thing I have for possessing the firearm is my receipt from where I purchased it.

So chl doesn't stand for concealed handgun license? Weird, I must have a typo on mine.

hillfighter wrote:All I see is a law requiring the business to post the sign. Can you show me where it says it's illegal for Bubba to have a shotgun in a country store that sells beer?

I think the sign is referring to subsection (c) of the 46.02 "UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS" law. Since that law does not prohibit carrying shotguns, I think Bubba isn't breaking the law. IANAL and I'm ready and willing to change my mind if someone cites a specific law. While we're on this topic, if an instructor says something is illegal but can't cite the law, find a better instructor.

flechero wrote:

thetexan wrote: 'The unlicsenced possession of a firearm on these premises is a felony and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine,,,;

To the CHL'er, it's the "welcome, friend" of gun signs. It also means, "quit looking for the 30.06 sign, it;s not here." ...lol

And what makes you think that a "blue sign" business can't also post a 30.06 sign?

nightmare wrote:

hillfighter wrote:All I see is a law requiring the business to post the sign. Can you show me where it says it's illegal for Bubba to have a shotgun in a country store that sells beer?

I think the sign is referring to subsection (c) of the 46.02 "UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS" law. Since that law does not prohibit carrying shotguns, I think Bubba isn't breaking the law. IANAL and I'm ready and willing to change my mind if someone cites a specific law. While we're on this topic, if an instructor says something is illegal but can't cite the law, find a better instructor.

Since I'm the only one who brought up what an instructor said, I believe this is addressed to me. My instructor categorized it as a "no liquor store robbing allowed" sign and as such it is an add on charge for robbing liquor stores; and I believe he is correct.

What did your instructor say with regards to the blue sign?

Did he cite the law or just explain you can carry their and be done with it?

mlawler wrote:The sign says 'Unliscenced Posession." Since there's no such thing as a liscence requirement to posess a firearm in the Stata of Texas, this sign is nonsense! My CHL is 'Liscenced Concealed Carry." The only thing I have for possessing the firearm is my receipt from where I purchased it.

Unlicensed possession means someone that does NOT have a CHL (Concealed Handgun LICENSE). So if you don't have a CHL you are UNLICENSED and you CANNOT carry where the sign is required by law, for example, a liquor store. If you have a CHL, then the sign does not apply to you. Carry on.

sjfcontrol wrote:

flechero wrote:

thetexan wrote: 'The unlicsenced possession of a firearm on these premises is a felony and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine,,,;

To the CHL'er, it's the "welcome, friend" of gun signs. It also means, "quit looking for the 30.06 sign, it;s not here." ...lol

And what makes you think that a "blue sign" business can't also post a 30.06 sign?

They could, but I have never seen that combination (Not to say it doesn't exist somewhere, but even in Austin, it must be very rare.)
TABC handing out signs is a pretty good thing in my opinion. I think most restaurant owners just put up what they are told and don't give it much though after that.

if I remember correctly prior to Texas having CHL laws the sign simply said possession of a weapon was a felony this was in the early 80's the Alcoholic beverage code does in fact make possession of a weapon in a place that sells alcohol illegal, it gives an exception for those that have a CHL for package stores, non premise and restaurants that don't meet the 51% law

JJVP wrote:

mlawler wrote:The sign says 'Unliscenced Posession." Since there's no such thing as a liscence requirement to posess a firearm in the Stata of Texas, this sign is nonsense! My CHL is 'Liscenced Concealed Carry." The only thing I have for possessing the firearm is my receipt from where I purchased it.

Unlicensed possession means someone that does NOT have a CHL (Concealed Handgun LICENSE). So if you don't have a CHL you are UNLICENSED and you CANNOT carry where the sign is required by law, for example, a liquor store. If you have a CHL, then the sign does not apply to you. Carry on.

But its already a crime to carry without a license. This kind of sign could go anywhere. This could be at Cheaper than Dirt...'The unlicensed possesion...". DUH!

Unless it's like was stated earlier. It adds to the punishment. Sorta like hating someone as you kill them makes it a hate crime and stiffens the penalty.

tex

thetexan wrote: But its already a crime to carry without a license. This kind of sign could go anywhere. This could be at Cheaper than Dirt...'The unlicensed possesion...". DUH!

Unless it's like was stated earlier. It adds to the punishment. Sorta like hating someone as you kill them makes it a hate crime and stiffens the penalty.

tex

I'll see your "DUH!" and raise you an "Aha!" :

46.02 wrote:...
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

So the sign basically advises that the offense of "Unlawful carrying weapons," which is normally a class A misdemeanor, is a third degree felony where alcohol is sold, as stated in (c).

sjfcontrol wrote:
And what makes you think that a "blue sign" business can't also post a 30.06 sign?

Hmm... never seen a 30.06 sign in the same place and I've been actively looking for over 10 years. Also never heard of it- and all my instructors made the comment about this sign being your "come on in sign." If it existed, I would have expected some instructor or someone on this forum to have mentioned it.

Could it exist? I think so... but if I'm actively looking for 30.06 and can't find them, I suspect it won;t meet the requirements anyway. I'm not going to stress out hunting for additional signage.

flechero wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:
And what makes you think that a "blue sign" business can't also post a 30.06 sign?

Hmm... never seen a 30.06 sign in the same place and I've been actively looking for over 10 years. Also never heard of it- and all my instructors made the comment about this sign being your "come on in sign." If it existed, I would have expected some instructor or someone on this forum to have mentioned it.

Could it exist? I think so... but if I'm actively looking for 30.06 and can't find them, I suspect it won;t meet the requirements anyway. I'm not going to stress out hunting for additional signage.

Well, you've now had an instructor and someone on this forum mention it -- me. There is nothing that says just because a business posts the blue sign, they can't also post 30.06. I'm not saying it has ever been done, just that there is nothing preventing it. Therefore it would be unsafe to presume that just because the blue sign is posted that you don't need to look for a 30.06 sign. They are not mutually exclusive.