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What's he going to stop you for? Having too big of an insulin pump? Your colostomy bag being full?

I hang out with a group of like minded folks (i.e. folks who believe the 2nd ammendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms). Some have CHLs some don't. Some carry some don't. Many who know me assume I am carrying all the time (I don't carry all the time). I carry most of the time. I have had times when I put my shirt on that I was sure I'd be called out because of the bulge but decided to go ahead because it wasn't "tight enough to read the gun label" (as someone else posted). I have not been called out on it. My wife usually knows when I am carrying and is still surprised when she gets on the motorcycle behind me and notices my weapon on my side (i.e. she knew I was carrying, didn't notice it was obvious based on what I was wearing, was surprised when she had a reason to grab my hip).

Long story short (I know, too late), as long as it's just a bulge, no one cares unless they're playing "is that a gun" with everyone they see.

My two cents...

Doing the Tx CHL Classes since septb 1995.. I explain it to class is a Law enforcement, police, etc etc
IS NOT a Reasonable person because his training he should be able to discern that a handgun is there.. ..

The average person walking down the street has no idea.

A couple of weeks ago my wife and I were at Costco. The wife went to another isle and when she returned she pointed to a guy wearing a T-shirt and said, "That guy over there has a concealed gun just like yours, I think it even has the same night sites."
That would be too much.

After September 1st, this will be a moot point. Not that it really is much of a point now.

The thing that bothers me, when the wind is blowing on my gun side I print very clearly the shape of a gun. Life goes on people are blind.

I was at the Empire Theatre in San Antonio Sunday for a play. I stood over one of those air grates that blows women's skirts up and my shirt blew completely up exposing my gun at 3:00 and my double mag pounch at 8:30. I was in the middle of a crowd and no one noticed a thing.

jayinsat wrote:After September 1st, this will be a moot point. Not that it really is much of a point now.

How would the new law affect the printing aspect? It addresses an "intentional display of a weapon in a public place", but I don't think it implies anything about the printing.

ATDM wrote:

jayinsat wrote:After September 1st, this will be a moot point. Not that it really is much of a point now.

How would the new law affect the printing aspect? It addresses an "intentional display of a weapon in a public place", but I don't think it implies anything about the printing.

EXACTLY! Printing is not in the law, or any law! Intentional exposure would be like you raising your shirt to threaten someone, showing them you have a gun. An "outline" or "bulge" is not intentional. Bending over and the shirt riding up too high would not be an intentional exposure either. That said, I will still check and make sure that doesn't happen but I know I will be covered in a court of law.

It's been discussed on this forum ad nauseum. Printing is not in the law. The change happening in September eliminates the loophole that was classified as "printing".

"Texas has lax laws on the subject."

Have to disagree.

Texas has reasonable laws about the subject.

Having your gun remain unconcealed doesn't mean it has to be an invisible bulge, it just has to be an unspecific bulge...

I had a friend who had a colostomy and urostomy AND carried a concealed handgun. He was bulging all over and was never questioned.

As for this subject being discussed more than some care for - you have the freedom to skip such threads while others discuss what they care to discuss.

Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

nyj wrote:Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

What is the misconduct? Last month I was at the beach when a massive wind came up. Four of us from our rent house ran down to the beach to help people save their easy-ups (most of which ended up bent). I am confident that the wind clearly outlined my pistol against my body repeatedly. I am relatively sure that at some point he wind would have pushed my shirt up exposing the pistol. Thankfully everyone was too focused on working to help, no one was hip checking for pistols. Was my misconduct offering to help or not wearing garters on my t-shirt to keep it down in the wind?

Allowing people to do things that aren't criminal, shoudln't be considered lax. It should be considered a freedom. Accidents involving harm to others should carry responsibilities. Accidents involving some person having to endure the sight of a holstered firearm for a second or two should not, IMO.

It's amazing how hoplophobia infects even those in the firearms community.

ATDM wrote:but even when my wife and kids tell me that they cannot really "discern" that I am carrying — when I look in the mirror, it seems obvious to me that there is something "weapony" under that loose shirt. A LEO or a gun lover can detect it very easily.

As others have said, you know it's a gun ... but nobody else knows it's a gun. Most people won't even be paying enough attention to bother to notice the bulge.

I haven't fully internalized that myself - but I've been carrying a lot and in places where there are a lot of people (for instance, a couple Sundays ago I picked my wife and boys up from the airport, helped them get their baggage and such - basically standing in a crowd of hundreds of people) - nobody notices, or even cares, even in a large group of people - and since it was AUS I'm guessing there were people present who would have irrationally panicked if they'd known someone who wasn't a cop had a gun. All I've really done is use common sense and not wear shirts where I can see a 'gun shape' through the shirt. (and by gun shape I don't mean an unspecific bulge) - which basically means I don't wear shirts that are too tight.

As for printing being misconduct - the only way I would consider it to be misconduct is if someone dressed and "concealed" with /intent/ to print. If you're doing a half decent job of concealing accidental printing should not be considered 'misconduct'.

nyj wrote:Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

Please tie those to statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.