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More information on Denny's shooting on I-10 and Washington. Customer was murdered shielding children from the gunfire. Employee was and shot and wounded trying to flee the store through the front door. Armed men came in shooting making demands later.

This just gets worse. It doesn't even appear that the children he was protecting were related to him. Not too many people would stand up to thugs to protect strangers.

bdickens wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... cmpid=hpfc

Three masked armed robbers decided to kill anyway after getting customers on the floor. Happened at 11 PM. This is not a bad area of Houston.

Wanna bet?

I'll bet.

Whole areas of the city have been radically transformed. Some places where 20 years ago you wouldn't want to go with a gun are now some of the most desirable.

Allen Parkway Village? Gone. The area is now high-end condos and office buildings.

Sixth Ward? Completely transformed by urban renewal.

Fourth Ward? The same.

Even the infamous Third Ward is nowhere near as bad as it used to be.

This particular Denny's is on Washington Avenue at I-10 tight where Memorial, the Heights and the Sixth Ward meet.

Pockets of re-birth surrounded by slums and barrios...

Still may have had more to do with the all night restaurant close to a freeway scenario than location...

My two cents...

If only they just had a Gun Free Zone sign posted, then this sort of thing would never happen...

philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... cmpid=hpts

More information on Denny's shooting on I-10 and Washington. Customer was murdered shielding children from the gunfire. Employee was and shot and wounded trying to flee the store through the front door. Armed men came in shooting making demands later.

Is there a link to that info? The linked article says nothing about it unless it is mentioned in the video which I csn't view here.

JALLEN wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... cmpid=hpts

More information on Denny's shooting on I-10 and Washington. Customer was murdered shielding children from the gunfire. Employee was and shot and wounded trying to flee the store through the front door. Armed men came in shooting making demands later.

Is there a link to that info? The linked article says nothing about it unless it is mentioned in the video which I csn't view here.

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It was in the video. Here is one where it is printed, however, I think both sources are related to a statement made by the son of the 64 year old man who was killed. I don't know if the son was there and witnessed it or if he was told this by witnesses. At the time the story was published the police have not even released the name of the dead customer let alone any real details.

I hope the police get these guys quick, doubtful if this will be their last armed murderous robbery unless they are caught first.

JALLEN wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... cmpid=hpts

More information on Denny's shooting on I-10 and Washington. Customer was murdered shielding children from the gunfire. Employee was and shot and wounded trying to flee the store through the front door. Armed men came in shooting making demands later.

Is there a link to that info? The linked article says nothing about it unless it is mentioned in the video which I csn't view here.

A friend of the guy that died was interviewed during one of the 10pm newscasts last night. He was there. He said the guy was shoot shielding kids from the thugs. According to him, the guys shot first, then made demands.

Thanks.

When they start off shooting, that clarifies the situation, a lot. Might as well shoot back if it is going to come to the same end either way.

Remember the IDPA stages, get behind cover and take aim.

The son said at the end of his interview that he hoped those guys (referencing the perps) run across someone with a CHL soon and get put on their (backsides) (edited). The newscaster clarified CHL meant Concealed Handgun License.

I'm not sure if that helps our cause, hurts our cause, or doesn't impact it one way or the other.

Frankly, I am surprised that more incidents like this one do not end with intervention of some sort either from a CHL holder or someone at the place of business who is armed.

RJGold wrote:The son said at the end of his interview that he hoped those guys (referencing the perps) run across someone with a CHL soon and get put on their (backsides) (edited). The newscaster clarified CHL meant Concealed Handgun License.

I'm not sure if that helps our cause, hurts our cause, or doesn't impact it one way or the other.

Frankly, I am surprised that more incidents like this one do not end with intervention of some sort either from a CHL holder or someone at the place of business who is armed.

What is the percentage of CHL holders to the population? Plus, most CHL holders are respectable family types not given to being out at all hours of the night. As George HW Bush's spokesman said, in response to Governor Richard's question, "he was sober, dry and home with his wife."

I'd be surprised if very many employees of large consumer oriented businesses were allowed to keep arms in the business place.

JALLEN wrote:

RJGold wrote:The son said at the end of his interview that he hoped those guys (referencing the perps) run across someone with a CHL soon and get put on their (backsides) (edited). The newscaster clarified CHL meant Concealed Handgun License.

I'm not sure if that helps our cause, hurts our cause, or doesn't impact it one way or the other.

Frankly, I am surprised that more incidents like this one do not end with intervention of some sort either from a CHL holder or someone at the place of business who is armed.

What is the percentage of CHL holders to the population? Plus, most CHL holders are respectable family types not given to being out at all hours of the night. As George HW Bush's spokesman said, in response to Governor Richard's question, "he was sober, dry and home with his wife."

I'd be surprised if very many employees of large consumer oriented businesses were allowed to keep arms in the business place.

Hmmmm...

Good question. Best I can tell there were about 521,000 CHLs in Texas in 2012 (includes instructors) and 26,000,000 people. 2 out of every 100. Sounds like a low number but if there were 50 people in the restaurant, there should have been 1 CHL.

I'm a family man, law abiding citizen, and generally a decent human being, but I still may stop in to a Dennys, IHOP, or House of Pies after the Mrs. and I go dancing on a Friday or Saturday night.

My original statement was made without knowing how many CHLs there were based on population. Knowing the numbers, I'm probably not surprised that no one was armed and responded.

I am probably jaded because I am obviously in a sector of the population that is skewed to the heavy side of the average (i.e. most of the people I know and hang out with carry)...

Good comment JALLEN. Thanks.

It's quite possible that there was a CHL in the restaurant, but when the rubber hit the road just couldn't muster the stones to act.

Or maybe surveyed the situation and made a choice not to act based on overwhelming odds, fear of shooting an innocent bystander, or other factors...

I wasn't there so I can't say.

My original comment was just based on my surprise that we don't hear more about interventions in this sort of event.

JALLEN wrote:

RJGold wrote:The son said at the end of his interview that he hoped those guys (referencing the perps) run across someone with a CHL soon and get put on their (backsides) (edited). The newscaster clarified CHL meant Concealed Handgun License.

I'm not sure if that helps our cause, hurts our cause, or doesn't impact it one way or the other.

Frankly, I am surprised that more incidents like this one do not end with intervention of some sort either from a CHL holder or someone at the place of business who is armed.

What is the percentage of CHL holders to the population? Plus, most CHL holders are respectable family types not given to being out at all hours of the night. As George HW Bush's spokesman said, in response to Governor Richard's question, "he was sober, dry and home with his wife."

I'd be surprised if very many employees of large consumer oriented businesses were allowed to keep arms in the business place.

While I totally agree with the portion of your quote that I bolded, this was only at 10:30 PM. Granted, I am in bed during the week by 10 watching the late news, but this was relatively early in the grand scheme (IMHO of course) of Denny's operating hours.

RJGold wrote:The son said at the end of his interview that he hoped those guys (referencing the perps) run across someone with a CHL soon and get put on their (backsides) (edited). The newscaster clarified CHL meant Concealed Handgun License.

I'm not sure if that helps our cause, hurts our cause, or doesn't impact it one way or the other.

Frankly, I am surprised that more incidents like this one do not end with intervention of some sort either from a CHL holder or someone at the place of business who is armed.

This situation has always been a problem for me. Sure the lone gunman at the Walmart parking lot is a no brainer. Here it is a restaurant situation with lots of people including children. One bad shot and you have hurt or killed an innocent. Three armed assailants, did not mention shotguns, but many times now a shot gun is brought in.

But a gunfight with 3 bad guys in a crowded room. Sounds like a no win situation.