No Renewal Class

[tbrown]

I say sign them up. There's nothing in the law prohibiting renewals from taking the new short class as a refresher if they want.

[MasterOfNone]

A range near me offers:

CHL Refresher Classes* are only $99.00.

License renewal is a great time to refresh your shooting skills and refresh your knowledge, and get an update on changes to CHL laws and regulations which may impact carrying and use of your handgun.

*To renew your CHL license, you must take an online test at the Texas DPS website. A score of 70% is required to pass this test. Our refresher class prepares you for this test.

This same range used to offer a "Third renewal" class.

[o b juan]

I just posted on the general discussion about this very thing...

Students that have attended my classes have asked me to refresh them about changes and I have always done renewals on an individual basis any way never scheduled either > I am retarded or retired cant remember which..

But it is really nice to know that they want assistance,, I will let those pay me what they think is appropriate,, I get surprised
at what I am handed sometimes..

As I said in the other post it is nice to be loved(maybe something else like respect)

[TexasCajun]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

[wgoforth]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

[TexasCajun]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

[jmra]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

I would not take a class with an instructor who would be willing to waste my time and the time of all the other students to teach one individual "gun intro 101".
My first instructor offered gun intro classes which he always scheduled on Sunday (CHL classes were on Saturday). If during the range portion of the class it became obvious someone needed additional instruction, he would have them return the next day. Of course if they admitted when scheduling the CHL class that they were clueless, he would insist they take the intro class first.

[wgoforth]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

It hasn't per se, but the allotted time no longer includes range time, so we can do what we need to at that time. I don't care how long someone has shot, everyone I see in the class (me included) could use some tips on shooting. Up to 1/3 of my class students have never held a gun before.

[wgoforth]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

I would not take a class with an instructor who would be willing to waste my time and the time of all the other students to teach one individual "gun intro 101".
My first instructor offered gun intro classes which he always scheduled on Sunday (CHL classes were on Saturday). If during the range portion of the class it became obvious someone needed additional instruction, he would have them return the next day. Of course if they admitted when scheduling the CHL class that they were clueless, he would insist they take the intro class first.

If a student thought being reminded of proper grip, stance, trigger control, breath control and follow through was a waste of his time, I would be glad for him to leave the class...... Fact is, most of the ones who come to class saying "I don't have to be taught, I've shot all my life" are generally the ones who need lots of correcting. Sounds like you should be an instructor to show the rest of us how it should be properly done....

[jmra]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

I would not take a class with an instructor who would be willing to waste my time and the time of all the other students to teach one individual "gun intro 101".
My first instructor offered gun intro classes which he always scheduled on Sunday (CHL classes were on Saturday). If during the range portion of the class it became obvious someone needed additional instruction, he would have them return the next day. Of course if they admitted when scheduling the CHL class that they were clueless, he would insist they take the intro class first.

If a student thought being reminded of proper grip, stance, trigger control, breath control and follow through was a waste of his time, I would be glad for him to leave the class...... Fact is, most of the ones who come to class saying "I don't have to be taught, I've shot all my life" are generally the ones who need lots of correcting. Sounds like you should be an instructor to show the rest of us how it should be properly done....

Pastor, you and I both know there is a lot of difference between correcting a stance or grip and instructing someone who has never held a gun. If an instructor wants to spend an extra hour at the range teaching the latter, be my guest. But to hold up a dozen or so other students while doing so is not only rude but down right unprofessional.

[TexasCajun]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

It hasn't per se, but the allotted time no longer includes range time, so we can do what we need to at that time. I don't care how long someone has shot, everyone I see in the class (me included) could use some tips on shooting. Up to 1/3 of my class students have never held a gun before.

Then perhaps you might want to think about how to vet your chl students a little more and direct those with no experience toward a basics course. There's a mile of difference between needing a couple of pointers and knowing which end of the gun the bullet comes out of.

If it were me taking your class, and we'd spent 4hrs in a classroom; then you turn the range proficiency portion into a 4hr learn to shoot class, you'd be refunding my money.

[jmra]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

It hasn't per se, but the allotted time no longer includes range time, so we can do what we need to at that time. I don't care how long someone has shot, everyone I see in the class (me included) could use some tips on shooting. Up to 1/3 of my class students have never held a gun before.

Then perhaps you might want to think about how to vet your chl students a little more and direct those with no experience toward a basics course. There's a mile of difference between needing a couple of pointers and knowing which end of the gun the bullet comes out of.

If it were me taking your class, and we'd spent 4hrs in a classroom; then you turn the range proficiency portion into a 4hr learn to shoot class, you'd be refunding my money.

fortunately chl classes are no longer my concern.

[wgoforth]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

It hasn't per se, but the allotted time no longer includes range time, so we can do what we need to at that time. I don't care how long someone has shot, everyone I see in the class (me included) could use some tips on shooting. Up to 1/3 of my class students have never held a gun before.

Then perhaps you might want to think about how to vet your chl students a little more and direct those with no experience toward a basics course. There's a mile of difference between needing a couple of pointers and knowing which end of the gun the bullet comes out of.

If it were me taking your class, and we'd spent 4hrs in a classroom; then you turn the range proficiency portion into a 4hr learn to shoot class, you'd be refunding my money.

No one said 4 hour on range. But I assure you there is no refund. Though anyone is welcome to leave the class. FWIW, though Proficiency is done on the range, state says we should also be doing some of our teaching on the range. Proficiency is only a portion of what is done there....or at least can be done there.

[wgoforth]

Unfortunately, most would not take ANY class if not required.

I think the requirement to take a class at all is unfortunate.

But....there are people that have no idea how a handgun works, which end the bullet comes out, etc.

The chl class wouldn't help that since it was never designed as a 'learn to shoot' or 'into to firearms' class. The now-defunct chl renewal classes would do even less in this regard.

Not really..... they say we are free to teach what we want in the range portion. Why else require us now to be NRA Gun Basics Instructors? Time limit doesn't include range now, so many I know are going to teach more at the range, not less.

When I was looking for my initial class last fall, the instructors I talked to made it absolutely clear that the class was not designed for people with no experience with handguns. When I made my choice, the person taking my reservation again made the explicit point that the class was not an intro class. Then my instructor began our class in the same way - "this class is not designed to teach the novice how to shoot, it's designed to test your current proficiency and to educate you about carrying a concealed handgun in the state of Texas". With the reduced time limit for the initial class and no renewal class, I don't get how the chl class has now changed to a 'learn to shoot' class.

I would not take a class with an instructor who would be willing to waste my time and the time of all the other students to teach one individual "gun intro 101".
My first instructor offered gun intro classes which he always scheduled on Sunday (CHL classes were on Saturday). If during the range portion of the class it became obvious someone needed additional instruction, he would have them return the next day. Of course if they admitted when scheduling the CHL class that they were clueless, he would insist they take the intro class first.

If a student thought being reminded of proper grip, stance, trigger control, breath control and follow through was a waste of his time, I would be glad for him to leave the class...... Fact is, most of the ones who come to class saying "I don't have to be taught, I've shot all my life" are generally the ones who need lots of correcting. Sounds like you should be an instructor to show the rest of us how it should be properly done....

Pastor, you and I both know there is a lot of difference between correcting a stance or grip and instructing someone who has never held a gun. If an instructor wants to spend an extra hour at the range teaching the latter, be my guest. But to hold up a dozen or so other students while doing so is not only rude but down right unprofessional.

Considering you haven't been in my class to see how we do it, yet proceed to tell me I am rude is...well, rude. We go over those things together as a class. we use laser training pistols on targets before taking range test. All seem complimentary, even renewals, saying that it helped correct some bad habits. Folks are not required to take my class, and if they don't like how I conduct it, they are free to have gone elsewhere. But I can say most renewals have said they learned more from my CHL class than the other classes, and am one of the more popular instructor in the area.

You have expressed your thoughts, I mine. Anything else to be gained here?

[Keith B]

OK folks, no personal attacks. We are watching these and even those long term members who know better but do it anyway will be given some time off the forum to think about it. Stop now.