California deputies shoot, kill 13-year-old carrying replica

[K.Mooneyham]

13 yo hispanic male with what appears to be a real AK is shot by police-urban/city enviroment = Gang banger

13 yo hispanic male with what appears to be a real AK is shot by police-rural/country enviroment = Innocent child

unless the banger was out guarding a storage house in the country, as much as I enjoy a good LEO bashing when it is deserved I see no fault in what they did based on the story as written, had that been a real AK and a real banger it could have gone south for the LEO's real fast, as it stands I thnk the LEO's will be have scars for the rest of their life on this.

Found another link
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/o ... -boy-rifle

It was a pellet gun.

The Guardian is a left-wing news agency that doesn't like firearms in general. It looks like an "Airsoft" replica to me, which for those that might not know, it does fire "pellets" but they are plastic BBs, not metal.

[suthdj]

13 yo hispanic male with what appears to be a real AK is shot by police-urban/city enviroment = Gang banger

13 yo hispanic male with what appears to be a real AK is shot by police-rural/country enviroment = Innocent child

unless the banger was out guarding a storage house in the country, as much as I enjoy a good LEO bashing when it is deserved I see no fault in what they did based on the story as written, had that been a real AK and a real banger it could have gone south for the LEO's real fast, as it stands I thnk the LEO's will be have scars for the rest of their life on this.

Found another link
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/o ... -boy-rifle

It was a pellet gun.

The Guardian is a left-wing news agency that doesn't like firearms in general. It looks like an "Airsoft" replica to me, which for those that might not know, it does fire "pellets" but they are plastic BBs, not metal.

Which in the end doesn't matter either as the LEO's could not tell if it fired a plastic bb or a bullet. As for the Guardian being left-wing, well they pretty much all are left leaning these days.

[Purplehood]

Two things:

- When I was a kid I carried a rifle about the neighborhood (in the city of Aurora, CO and at my grandparents in Parachute/Grand Valley, CO) and never received a second-look. If a police-officer had spoken to me I would have kept my muzzle in the air and never made a threatening movement. I was taught that you never pointed a weapon at someone unless you planned to shoot them.

- It should be noted that the child had both a replica AR and a replica Pistol. The AR was pretty convincing and I imagine the Pistol was too. This makes me wonder if the kid was trying to intimidate someone or simply wanted to play cops and robbers. I feel badly for the parents, and for the LEO's who were put in the position of having to shoot a child.

[LAYGO]

I am so tired of reading about kids being killed by people including LEO's that if they took another 3 minutes to asses the situation everyone would have gone home that night.

I can't imagine them in that situation, but I think they probably felt like they didn't have 3 minutes. Granted, they probably went in amp'd up, take charge attitude that never gave them a real chance at assessment. Tragic all the way around because it's likely the officer will feel guilty for years . . .

[stroo]

According to the Guardian article, the orange tip was missing from the toy gun. Given that, I am not sure how the police could have responded much differently. It looked like a real AK.

When my son was younger the kids in the neighborhood used to have airsoft wars. We made sure all the guns had orange tips, that everyone had eye protection and that everyone knew if the police came by, to obey any and all commands. Also pretty much everyone in the neighborhood knew the kids were playing, not shooting real guns. The kids also knew to watch out for any younger kids that might be around.

[texanjoker]

I am so tired of reading about kids being killed by people including LEO's that if they took another 3 minutes to asses the situation everyone would have gone home that night.

I can't imagine them in that situation, but I think they probably felt like they didn't have 3 minutes. Granted, they probably went in amp'd up, take charge attitude that never gave them a real chance at assessment. Tragic all the way around because it's likely the officer will feel guilty for years . . .

Not enough info for me to form an opinion other then this case is tragic. Forget 3 minutes, 3 seconds can be an eternity when faced with a critical decision. A 13 year old with a gun can kill and there are many 13 year old gang members that are very deadly. Did this kid look 13? Some 13 year olds look a lot older. How old was the kid in Sparks that just shot a teacher? Where was he going and what was he doing? I can say I have dealt with kids of this age that point their toy guns that look pretty real at us. They think it is funny. That gun looked pretty real to me and if it was pointed at me I could see fearing for my safety. I can't say I would shoot or wouldn't because I wasn't in that particular situation and don't know what they saw, where they were, what was going on around them, ect. I do await further info when it is released.

[rbwhatever1]

Would it be illegal in California for a person to open carry an AK-47 in California? Do the police have the right to order anyone that is carrying as such to "drop the gun". This is such a tragic story and i know the cops must feel terrible too. And to think that as kids we all wore our 6 shooter cap guns and holsters and cowboy hats and nobody interfered. One day I was a cowboy, the next day I was an indian. Times have changed for the worse.

I'm wondering about this one myself. Has California lost the 2nd Amendment?

[texanjoker]

Would it be illegal in California for a person to open carry an AK-47 in California? Do the police have the right to order anyone that is carrying as such to "drop the gun". This is such a tragic story and i know the cops must feel terrible too. And to think that as kids we all wore our 6 shooter cap guns and holsters and cowboy hats and nobody interfered. One day I was a cowboy, the next day I was an indian. Times have changed for the worse.

I'm wondering about this one myself. Has California lost the 2nd Amendment?

A 13 year old cannot open carry an ak47 in CA. A ak47 is classified an assault weapon and there are restrictions on it. If an leo sees a juv with a ak47 they can stop and detain them. Heck a 13 year old would be stopped in TX as well if walking down a city street with an ak47.

[rbwhatever1]

Would it be illegal in California for a person to open carry an AK-47 in California? Do the police have the right to order anyone that is carrying as such to "drop the gun". This is such a tragic story and i know the cops must feel terrible too. And to think that as kids we all wore our 6 shooter cap guns and holsters and cowboy hats and nobody interfered. One day I was a cowboy, the next day I was an indian. Times have changed for the worse.

I'm wondering about this one myself. Has California lost the 2nd Amendment?

A 13 year old cannot open carry an ak47 in CA. A ak47 is classified an assault weapon and there are restrictions on it. If an leo sees a juv with a ak47 they can stop and detain them. Heck a 13 year old would be stopped in TX as well if walking down a city street with an ak47.

Yes sir. I just wasted 30 minutes of my life reading California's gun laws. Those folks are in trouble.

[JALLEN]

I don't think one can carry a visible weapon in CA. To transport a firearm, it must be locked in a container, or locked in the trunk, unloaded. Whether or not it is strictly legal, or rather not illegal, to carry a weapon visibly, it is certainly not a good idea, so many MWAG ninnies all over the place.

I put guns in a locked case or range bag, then locked those in the trunk, or in the deep back of the Jeep, etc. Nobody ever saw mine until I got to the range.

I remember many years ago an incident on the street in downtown San Diego involving a man holding a pistol. It had gone on long enough that a TV news crew had arrived and was filming. He was just standing there calmly leaning against a building, surrounded by police officers hollering at him. After seeming to ignore them for a while, he moved the hand holding the pistol, and was riddled with gunfire. The debate as whether he was obeying commands or about to use the pistol.

The aura is that because police carry guns they are proficient, and knowledgeable in the use of all kinds of firearms. This is seldom true. There may be firearms experts in the ranks but the typical officer is not one, in my experience. I would venture to say in CA that few have ever seen an actual AK-47 or could pick one out of a line up.

[VMI77]

I went outside walked over to the kid and talked with him about his new (shotgun looking gun). How cool it was...that it made sounds etc etc etc. Told him to make certain he left the orange cap on. I requested that he please not point his gun at my younger children's heads as they were not playing cowboys, but rather riding scooters. No one was in danger and no one died. A LEO should have as much sense as I do and more.

I am so tired of reading about kids being killed by people including LEO's that if they took another 3 minutes to asses the situation everyone would have gone home that night.

The same with dogs. Recently some six foot tall 300lb LEO shot a Jack Russell Terrier claiming he "feared for his life." Come on, really? If you're afraid of a Jack Russell you have no business working for the USPS or Fedex, much less being in law enforcement. I encounter stray dogs all the time and I've never had to shoot one. I recently found an apparently abandoned German Shepherd, probably about two years old. He certainly could have torn me apart, but I managed not to shoot him either. Even ended up lifting him into our van hoping we might be able to find the owner. Didn't find the owner (I think the owner dumped this beautiful dog), but a LEO on one of our stops decided to take him in.

[texanjoker]

Thought I logged onto TexasCHLforum. We should probably have a new forum for anti leo threads to make it easier to find


More info coming out on this original story as well. Tragic.

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[VMI77]

Thought I logged onto TexasCHLforum but apparently this is becoming the new copblock type website. We should probably have a new forum for anti leo threads to make it easier to find

I highly doubt any of the mostly non-liberal people on this board are "anti-cop." When my son wanted to be a cop I fully supported him. I considered the FBI when I left the military. It's not "anti-cop" to expect LEO's to face consequences for their actions, like the rest of us have to do, nor is the attitude that law enforcement is always right "pro-cop" --it's just pro-unaccountability, which will ultimately lead to a large population of citizens who really are anti-cop.

[texanjoker]

Thought I logged onto TexasCHLforum but apparently this is becoming the new copblock type website. We should probably have a new forum for anti leo threads to make it easier to find

I highly doubt any of the mostly non-liberal people on this board are "anti-cop." When my son wanted to be a cop I fully supported him. I considered the FBI when I left the military. It's not "anti-cop" to expect LEO's to face consequences for their actions, like the rest of us have to do, nor is the attitude that law enforcement is always right "pro-cop" --it's just pro-unaccountability, which will ultimately lead to a large population of citizens who really are anti-cop.

My point is that every article about alleged wrong doing by a leo seems to get posted here. Does a dog getting shot have anything to do with this tragic thread? Do alleged wrong doings nationwide need to end up here?

[mojo84]

Not every article about alleged wrong doing by a leo ends up here. Just the remarkable ones.

It's a scary thought that there are more out there we aren't aware of or discussing though.