Re: Mechanics - 2000 VW Jetta VR6: OBD not connecting
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:04 pm
Andy, I'm not a good auto mechanic and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But here is my take: you have two separate problems. That may not be true but I would start with that assumption.
1. You will not get to see if a code is being set as a result of the rough idle until you can get a scanner to read codes. I'd ignore the engine problem until I fixed the scanner problem. To do that, I'd try multiple scanners. O'Reilly Auto Parts, for example, has scanners that they will, for free, hook up to your vehicle. Since you say that it is driveable, that is an option. There are a number of different types of scanners out there and it may be that one will work on your Jetta and another will not. Trouble shooting that difference about why one works and another doesn't might get ugly. If you get lucky, a different scanner might tell you why the connector isn't working. Some of them are self powered and smarter than others.
2. I'm always suspicious when someone else "helps" me. By that, I mean that the person who supposedly applied the radio "fix" to the car may or may not have done it correctly. The other evening after reading your thread, I did a couple of searches and found the wiring change that is supposed to be necessary for that problem. I'd think seriously about looking to see if I could confirm that fix. It may well lead you to the scanner problem AND the rough idle problem. I'm really nervous by your not getting a 12 volt reading with a verified 12volt source (since it works with pin #4) and a supposed ground. If i #5 really ground, you should be able to run a jumper wire from the negative battery post to it and read a direct short with your ohm meter. If you cannot, something is wrong and I'd look into that.
3. If you do get the scanner working and there are no codes set, I'd suggest that you have a basic problem. I don't pretend to know the Jetta but a lot of cars have individual coils for the plugs and you could have one or more bad ones. I do understand that codes are supposed to set when coils fail but I'd start with the plugs and then the coils and work my way back from there.
I had a really nasty intermittent speedometer failure on our RV. It went to a certified shop several times at great expense (thankfully not all mine) and still wasn't repaired. It took me a while to figure out how the CAN bus was supposed to work but when I did, I figured out the the "pros" were not even in the right area and I fixed my own problem the next night. It was a loose connector. There was a code set but it suggested the absence of road speed pulse from the transmission. It was simply a pulse transfer problem. The point of my story is that sometimes you don't see the obvious because you are being driven to make it more complicated than it really is.
1. You will not get to see if a code is being set as a result of the rough idle until you can get a scanner to read codes. I'd ignore the engine problem until I fixed the scanner problem. To do that, I'd try multiple scanners. O'Reilly Auto Parts, for example, has scanners that they will, for free, hook up to your vehicle. Since you say that it is driveable, that is an option. There are a number of different types of scanners out there and it may be that one will work on your Jetta and another will not. Trouble shooting that difference about why one works and another doesn't might get ugly. If you get lucky, a different scanner might tell you why the connector isn't working. Some of them are self powered and smarter than others.
2. I'm always suspicious when someone else "helps" me. By that, I mean that the person who supposedly applied the radio "fix" to the car may or may not have done it correctly. The other evening after reading your thread, I did a couple of searches and found the wiring change that is supposed to be necessary for that problem. I'd think seriously about looking to see if I could confirm that fix. It may well lead you to the scanner problem AND the rough idle problem. I'm really nervous by your not getting a 12 volt reading with a verified 12volt source (since it works with pin #4) and a supposed ground. If i #5 really ground, you should be able to run a jumper wire from the negative battery post to it and read a direct short with your ohm meter. If you cannot, something is wrong and I'd look into that.
3. If you do get the scanner working and there are no codes set, I'd suggest that you have a basic problem. I don't pretend to know the Jetta but a lot of cars have individual coils for the plugs and you could have one or more bad ones. I do understand that codes are supposed to set when coils fail but I'd start with the plugs and then the coils and work my way back from there.
I had a really nasty intermittent speedometer failure on our RV. It went to a certified shop several times at great expense (thankfully not all mine) and still wasn't repaired. It took me a while to figure out how the CAN bus was supposed to work but when I did, I figured out the the "pros" were not even in the right area and I fixed my own problem the next night. It was a loose connector. There was a code set but it suggested the absence of road speed pulse from the transmission. It was simply a pulse transfer problem. The point of my story is that sometimes you don't see the obvious because you are being driven to make it more complicated than it really is.