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MoJo wrote:Charles Cotton told us in one of his deadly force seminars to always request the ambulance first even if it's obvious the person is dead. 911 records all calls.
Some of the other things you need to do beside putting your gun away is make a mental note of any witnesses and to keep your mouth shut until you have your attorney present. Asking for legal advise is not an admission of guilt.

I guess we did not meet each other at that particular deadly force seminar.

MoJo wrote:Charles Cotton told us in one of his deadly force seminars to always request the ambulance first even if it's obvious the person is dead. 911 records all calls.

Some of the other things you need to do beside putting your gun away is make a mental note of any witnesses and to keep your mouth shut until you have your attorney present. Asking for legal advise is not an admission of guilt.

I also believe you should point out the witnesses to the police, then keep your mouth shut.

The witnesses are over there thinking could this be some drug shooting or vengeful gang-banger. They don't know what's going on. "Do we really want to get involved?" If they leave, the testimony that could have proven you innocent leaves with them.

Jumping Frog wrote:

MoJo wrote:Charles Cotton told us in one of his deadly force seminars to always request the ambulance first even if it's obvious the person is dead. 911 records all calls.

Some of the other things you need to do beside putting your gun away is make a mental note of any witnesses and to keep your mouth shut until you have your attorney present. Asking for legal advise is not an admission of guilt.

I also believe you should point out the witnesses to the police, then keep your mouth shut.

The witnesses are over there thinking could this be some drug shooting or vengeful gang-banger. They don't know what's going on. "Do we really want to get involved?" If they leave, the testimony that could have proven you innocent leaves with them.

This sounds like a statement directly from a Massad Ayoob article. He has more credentials that me, so I am offering my opinion as a "layman" .
The LEOs at the scene will give you an opportunity to tell your side of the story, when they decide they want to listen.
IMO, prematurely trying to point out "evidence" and "potential witnesses" may be perceived by LEOs as self-serving.
LEOs are trained to physically separate people [witnesses, suspects, by-standers] at a crime scene so they can get independent statements to in order to get an accurate assessment of exactly what happened at the crime scene.

Isn’t it more helpful to your case to say “I had to shoot a person who is dressed like a man when he tried to shoot me”? Instead of “tried to rob me”. My position would be that I feared for my life, not that I was about to be $80 less rich.

rdcrags wrote:Isn’t it more helpful to your case to say “I had to shoot a person who is dressed like a man when he tried to shoot me”? Instead of “tried to rob me”. My position would be that I feared for my life, not that I was about to be $80 less rich.

They will find the gun when they get there. That is good enough for me.

“Yes, Ma’am, I've killed Doyle Hargraves with a lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, I'm right sure of it. I hit him two good whacks in the head with it. That second one just plum near cut his head in two...It's a lil' ol' white house on the corner of Vine Street and some other street. There's a pick-up truck out front that says 'Doyle Hargraves Construction' on it. Doyle said, besides sending the police, you might wanna send an ambulance or a Hearst. I'll be sitting here, waiting on ye.”

03Lightningrocks wrote:“Yes, Ma’am, I've killed Doyle Hargraves with a lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, I'm right sure of it. I hit him two good whacks in the head with it. That second one just plum near cut his head in two...It's a lil' ol' white house on the corner of Vine Street and some other street. There's a pick-up truck out front that says 'Doyle Hargraves Construction' on it. Doyle said, besides sending the police, you might wanna send an ambulance or a Hearst. I'll be sitting here, waiting on ye.”

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Great movie! Billy Bob always seems to portray somebody who's a little er...uh, different.

Oldgringo wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:“Yes, Ma’am, I've killed Doyle Hargraves with a lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, I'm right sure of it. I hit him two good whacks in the head with it. That second one just plum near cut his head in two...It's a lil' ol' white house on the corner of Vine Street and some other street. There's a pick-up truck out front that says 'Doyle Hargraves Construction' on it. Doyle said, besides sending the police, you might wanna send an ambulance or a Hearst. I'll be sitting here, waiting on ye.”

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Great movie! Billy Bob always seems to portray somebody who's a little er...uh, different.

I agree. I saw the movie last night as I was channel surfing. This thread reminded me of my favorite scene. I like that he sat down and ate a biscuit with mustard on it after he hung up the phone.

rdcrags wrote:Isn’t it more helpful to your case to say “I had to shoot a person who is dressed like a man when he tried to shoot me”? Instead of “tried to rob me”. My position would be that I feared for my life, not that I was about to be $80 less rich.

What difference does it make how he's dressed?

03Lightningrocks wrote:“Yes, Ma’am, I've killed Doyle Hargraves with a lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, I'm right sure of it. I hit him two good whacks in the head with it. That second one just plum near cut his head in two...It's a lil' ol' white house on the corner of Vine Street and some other street. There's a pick-up truck out front that says 'Doyle Hargraves Construction' on it. Doyle said, besides sending the police, you might wanna send an ambulance or a Hearst. I'll be sitting here, waiting on ye.”

We watched Sling Blade just a few months ago, for the very first time. Great, great movie.

But of course the lines above are "too much information" unless your intent is to retreat (again) from society!

Wouldn't it be better to tell the 911 operator that "Someone has been shot" instead of "I shot someone" ?? Since they record the calls if they record you saying you shot someone it is an admission of guilt.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:Wouldn't it be better to tell the 911 operator that "Someone has been shot" instead of "I shot someone" ?? Since they record the calls if they record you saying you shot someone it is an admission of guilt.

Anygunanywhere

You want to let them know you did it, and you explained why in the call. That way it is recorded.

anygunanywhere wrote:Wouldn't it be better to tell the 911 operator that "Someone has been shot" instead of "I shot someone" ?? Since they record the calls if they record you saying you shot someone it is an admission of guilt.

What? Were you going to try and say SODD? (Some Other Dude Didit) Saying "I shot someone" is a statement of fact. What's going to get you out of trouble is what you tell the LEOs after you consult with your attorney, to explain WHY you shot the person.

n5wd wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Wouldn't it be better to tell the 911 operator that "Someone has been shot" instead of "I shot someone" ?? Since they record the calls if they record you saying you shot someone it is an admission of guilt.

What? Were you going to try and say SODD? (Some Other Dude Didit) Saying "I shot someone" is a statement of fact. What's going to get you out of trouble is what you tell the LEOs after you consult with your attorney, to explain WHY you shot the person.

Um, no I was not going to say some other dude did it. Where did you get that?

Anygunanywhere

In another side discussion, I was told that it was best to remain on the line with 911, stay in a safe place/room, give 911 a good description of yourself, only secure gun and open doors when you confirm police have arrived.

That being said, I would also give them as much detail of the robber and definitely explain that shots were fired. I'm sure the 911 calls would be played in any trial/lawsuit, so I would want to be as honest as possible in such a difficult situation.