Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:48 pm
Extreme example, but exactly... The give you a lecture on the benefits of registration, etc, and then ask a slanted question.
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Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:58 am
Someone who is a national figure in the 2nd Amendment movement told me in conversation at an event that our polling "weak spot" is in universal background checks. Regardless of state or polling methods, an overwhelming majority will respond that they are OK with universal background checks. Of course, we are aware that so-called "universal background checks" implies registration and is useless. But this is the issue the antis are going after in state ballot initiatives next fall.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:46 am
I recall hearing a guy talk on the radio about compliance with gun registration and confiscation in other countries. The percentage compliance in most cases was very low. The guy mentioned Australia where they knew how many guns of a certain model were imported and found that only a small fraction were ever registered. Similar non-compliance was evident in some European countries, Canada and others.C-dub wrote:If the good people of Connecticut continue to stand against their new gun registration law the rest of the country will see how that stuff really works. Go ahead and pass your laws and see what happens if millions of people don't comply.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:21 pm
Just over 68% of Connecticut cops had failed to register firearms according to the new law. http://www.callthecops.net/connecticut- ... tate-list/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;C-dub wrote:If the good people of Connecticut continue to stand against their new gun registration law the rest of the country will see how that stuff really works. Go ahead and pass your laws and see what happens if millions of people don't comply.
I hope this is true. Would someone please fact check this? I have to get off the computer now.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:46 am
VoiceofReason wrote:Just over 68% of Connecticut cops had failed to register firearms according to the new law. http://www.callthecops.net/connecticut- ... tate-list/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;C-dub wrote:If the good people of Connecticut continue to stand against their new gun registration law the rest of the country will see how that stuff really works. Go ahead and pass your laws and see what happens if millions of people don't comply.
I hope this is true. Would someone please fact check this? I have to get off the computer now.
Unfortunately, it's satire.
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Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:53 am
This runs along my initial thoughts on reading this topic. The significant number of CT residents opposed to their new laws were probably not part of that survey.C-dub wrote:If the good people of Connecticut continue to stand against their new gun registration law the rest of the country will see how that stuff really works. Go ahead and pass your laws and see what happens if millions of people don't comply.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:49 pm
oops, missed that, thanks. Man I feel dumb. I am familiar with that feeling.RX8er wrote:VoiceofReason wrote:Just over 68% of Connecticut cops had failed to register firearms according to the new law. http://www.callthecops.net/connecticut- ... tate-list/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;C-dub wrote:If the good people of Connecticut continue to stand against their new gun registration law the rest of the country will see how that stuff really works. Go ahead and pass your laws and see what happens if millions of people don't comply.
I hope this is true. Would someone please fact check this? I have to get off the computer now.
Unfortunately, it's satire.
http://www.callthecops.net/about-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Call the Cops
This site is a satire of the current state of Law Enforcement, Fire Fighting and Emergency Medical work. Stories posted here are not real and you should not assume them to have any basis in any real fact. Heck we tend to leave in spelling and grammer errors just to prove we is not the professional media. No reference of an individual, company, or government entity seeks to inflict malice or emotional harm.
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Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:14 pm
The Connecticut gun control law is titled “An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children's Safety”. Makes me feel like upchucking. Don’t they know how stupid they sound tacking “Children's Safety” on every attempt they make to take away legally owned guns?
Some media fools advocate rounding up those that did not register their guns. “State Can't Let Gun Scofflaws Off Hook” “Gun Registration: Break the law, pay the price” (Hartford Courant http://articles.courant.com/2014-02-14/ ... lt-weapons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).
What if those that would not register their guns decide not to be “rounded up”? Another article, good read (http://www.examiner.com/article/courant ... -for-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), what do you think?
My questions to forum members for the sake of discussion would be:
a. Do you believe the state authorities would actually try to “round up” those that defy the registration law?
b. Do you think the state has any way out of this situation without admitting they made a law they can’t enforce?
c. Do you believe some of those gun owners would resist being “rounded up” and if so how many and to what extent do you believe they would resist being “rounded up”?
Let’s try to be realistic but honest in our appraisal of the situation.
Some media fools advocate rounding up those that did not register their guns. “State Can't Let Gun Scofflaws Off Hook” “Gun Registration: Break the law, pay the price” (Hartford Courant http://articles.courant.com/2014-02-14/ ... lt-weapons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).
What if those that would not register their guns decide not to be “rounded up”? Another article, good read (http://www.examiner.com/article/courant ... -for-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), what do you think?
My questions to forum members for the sake of discussion would be:
a. Do you believe the state authorities would actually try to “round up” those that defy the registration law?
b. Do you think the state has any way out of this situation without admitting they made a law they can’t enforce?
c. Do you believe some of those gun owners would resist being “rounded up” and if so how many and to what extent do you believe they would resist being “rounded up”?
Let’s try to be realistic but honest in our appraisal of the situation.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:31 am
The poll is an agenda poll and it's bogus. The population polled was not random and the samples were biased towards those most likely to favor more gun control.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:03 pm
I believe some people would resist arrest. Probably less than 5% with unregistered guns and maybe 1% would resort to violence in resisting.VoiceofReason wrote:The Connecticut gun control law is titled “An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children's Safety”. Makes me feel like upchucking. Don’t they know how stupid they sound tacking “Children's Safety” on every attempt they make to take away legally owned guns?
Some media fools advocate rounding up those that did not register their guns. “State Can't Let Gun Scofflaws Off Hook” “Gun Registration: Break the law, pay the price” (Hartford Courant http://articles.courant.com/2014-02-14/ ... lt-weapons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).
What if those that would not register their guns decide not to be “rounded up”? Another article, good read (http://www.examiner.com/article/courant ... -for-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), what do you think?
My questions to forum members for the sake of discussion would be:
a. Do you believe the state authorities would actually try to “round up” those that defy the registration law?
b. Do you think the state has any way out of this situation without admitting they made a law they can’t enforce?
c. Do you believe some of those gun owners would resist being “rounded up” and if so how many and to what extent do you believe they would resist being “rounded up”?
Let’s try to be realistic but honest in our appraisal of the situation.
I had hoped to get a discussion started on this topic but it appears folks are hesitant to express their opinion possibly because they don’t want to attract the attention of those servers that scan the web.
I also didn’t want to post my opinion first because I didn’t want it to influence that of others.
I will give it a try.
I don’t believe they would. They are in a very uncomfortable position as it is and I don’t think they want it to blow up into something that would make the world news.a. Do you believe the state authorities would actually try to “round up” those that defy the registration law?
I think the best thing they could do would be to say loudly and often that “people did not have enough notice, information, etc. and repeal the law in order to “study” the situation and “give people an opportunity for input” then “study” it to death until it is forgotten.b. Do you think the state has any way out of this situation without admitting they made a law they can’t enforce?
c. Do you believe some of those gun owners would resist being “rounded up” and if so how many and to what extent do you believe they would resist being “rounded up”?
I may be proven wrong (that happens quite often) but I can imagine a bunch of politicians walking the floor, trying to figure out how to get out of this mess without making it worse while “saving face”.
One good thing may come of this. Some other states may think twice about ramming through gun control laws without giving the people the chance for input.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:30 pm
OK, I admit that one of my "trigger phrases" has been thrown out here. "Gun violence" is one of those made-up phrases used to evoke a visceral response and stymie debate and rational discourse. As such, a great many of the political class love it and can't hop on board fast enough when it is thrown out there. The effective use of this phrase and others to condition or program everyone to a certain way of "thinking", essentially pushing the adoption a belief system with no basis in facts or rational thought, is one of "the thousand cuts" destroying our country from within.
I'll step down from my soapbox now.
As to the questions posed, I think there will be some authorities who will attempt to round up folks who don't comply -- after all what is the purpose of this legislation beyond making criminals of a specific group of people where their activities were entirely legal before? The state has the same way out as they had to get IN to the mess. Lastly, I think there is a small percentage of gun owners who will refuse to comply regardless of the consequences and how active their refusal might become.
I'll step down from my soapbox now.
As to the questions posed, I think there will be some authorities who will attempt to round up folks who don't comply -- after all what is the purpose of this legislation beyond making criminals of a specific group of people where their activities were entirely legal before? The state has the same way out as they had to get IN to the mess. Lastly, I think there is a small percentage of gun owners who will refuse to comply regardless of the consequences and how active their refusal might become.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:44 pm
I hope that you are right on a couple of points but fear that there may be more than one incident. I'm not sure about the 1% in the violent resistance column IF there are are a couple of SWAT type enforcement attempts. Many of the the NE politicians are passionate gun grabbers and I'm a bit surprised that they haven't caused this to bubble up before now. I cannot imagine us getting out of 2014 without either a capitulation by the politicians (unlikely in my view) or a bloody attempt at enforcement. It won't take many people being dragged out of their homes over their unregistered guns to ignite a higher level of resistance.VoiceofReason wrote:
I believe some people would resist arrest. Probably less than 5% with unregistered guns and maybe 1% would resort to violence in resisting.
I may be proven wrong (that happens quite often) but I can imagine a bunch of politicians walking the floor, trying to figure out how to get out of this mess without making it worse while “saving face”.
One good thing may come of this. Some other states may think twice about ramming through gun control laws without giving the people the chance for input.
I'm almost afraid to open the Drudge Report website each morning for fear of reading about some activity in CT. I think all the States with enough political will to act already have.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:05 pm
A lot of people in Connecticut have shown what they are made of and had the courage to disobey the law. We are losing our rights at an ever increasing rate and civil disobedience and non cooperation may be the best tool we have.
I have seen it stated so many times “it’s not about guns, it’s about control. This seems to be holding true in so much of society. There are states that are banning “electronic” cigarettes even though there is no smoke. It is a vapor. It is no longer about cigarettes, it is about control.
Doctor’s are now free to ask if you have guns at home and note it in your record. I have said before everyone should just say no and be sure Fox and Drudge get the story that gun owners are not going to play the game. Doctors themselves would see the uselessness and stop asking on their own.
Every chance we get, we should take advantage of the opportunity to legally throw a wrench in the works.
Be creative, start a rumor that will make the gun grabbers crazy and show what idiots they are.
I have seen it stated so many times “it’s not about guns, it’s about control. This seems to be holding true in so much of society. There are states that are banning “electronic” cigarettes even though there is no smoke. It is a vapor. It is no longer about cigarettes, it is about control.
Doctor’s are now free to ask if you have guns at home and note it in your record. I have said before everyone should just say no and be sure Fox and Drudge get the story that gun owners are not going to play the game. Doctors themselves would see the uselessness and stop asking on their own.
Every chance we get, we should take advantage of the opportunity to legally throw a wrench in the works.
Be creative, start a rumor that will make the gun grabbers crazy and show what idiots they are.
Re: Majority want gun registry in some states
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:19 pm
Sounds like a risky question. You might get a reply you really didn't want.AndyC wrote:And we're equally as free to ask if they, for example, enjoy being spanked in their bedroom.VoiceofReason wrote:Doctor’s are now free to ask if you have guns at home and note it in your record.
