opinions on a safety concern with holster

[asbandr]

That's how I do it with any holster of mine. I have the remora original and my leather iwb. For now until my plastic comes in I'm just carrying around the house, but always put the gun in before putting it on me. I do separately practice drawing nf holstering though.

[Excaliber]

That's how I do it with any holster of mine. I have the remora original and my leather iwb. For now until my plastic comes in I'm just carrying around the house, but always put the gun in before putting it on me. I do separately practice drawing nf holstering though.

With holsters that have stiff enough "mouths" to stay open when the gun is removed so it can be easily reholstered one handed, it's generally not necessary to do that.

Draw practice gets pretty time consuming if you have to remove the holster to put the gun back in after every repetition.

[Big Bronze Rim]

I just talked to my wife and she informed me that she is able to reholster while wearing the holster however she only does this with an unloaded gun during dry practice. It definitely isn't a quick reholstering like an IWB would be. If she draws it loaded she will typically remove the holster first. And absolutely don't carry unless a round is chambered. Otherwise it's just an unloaded gun.

[n5wd]

I'm figuring I'll holster first and then attach the set up to my bra. Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I'll order it today.

ABSOLUTELY! (sorry for shouting)

Look at the videos on the Flashbang web site, and the video by MrMrsAuthority ( http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S72aeGdKmZw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) where she demonstrates another draw method than the one Flasbang suggests. And, yep, attach said unit to the bra only when the gun is safely nedtled away in the holster!

See, I knew you'd come around to liking that holster - other than one of the low center carries, this'un seems like it would almost universal (save for the ladies that have a pencil that they don't know what to do with).

[WildBill]

And absolutely don't carry unless a round is chambered. Otherwise it's just an unloaded gun.

Rubbish - absolute nonsense.

I'm hardly a proponent of Israeli-carry, but I REALLY tire of folks implying that something is worthless unless it's always ready to go bang in a half-second. It might not be as fast as a chambered pistol, but it's not useless as you imply. While I - and perhaps you - would happily carry in Condition 1, others might not feel as confident in that - and THAT'S OK.

I have often read people saying that a gun without a round in the chamber "is a brick or a club".

[asbandr]

I agree. I definitely see the benefit of one in the chamber, and there may be a situation in which you don't have time to chamber a round, but I don't see it as any more a handicap than purse carry. My husband tried to argue that purse carry isn't necessarily a handicap. And there may be a lot of women who have it down to a fine art, but have the time I can't even get my keys out of my side pocket of my purse any faster than I could pull an on body gun and chamber a round!

[Big Bronze Rim]

And absolutely don't carry unless a round is chambered. Otherwise it's just an unloaded gun.

Edit previous comment as coming over as rude: No, that's just not true

I'm hardly a proponent of Israeli-carry, but I REALLY tire of folks implying that something is worthless unless it's always ready to go bang in a half-second. It might not be as fast as a chambered pistol, but it's not useless as you imply. While I - and perhaps you - would happily carry in Condition 1, others might not feel as confident in that - and THAT'S OK.

Well never said useless, just that it was an uloaded gun. I am fully aware that a round can be chambered relatively quickly, but try doing on your back one handed with an attacker on top you you. If you can't get it loaded it's just as useful as a brick or club, maybe less so. I can't think of a realistic scenario where I would actually want the gun in something other than C1, how I prefer to carry. I agree that not everyone is as confident with a chambered weapon and to each their own, but I would urge those that aren't comfortable to get some training and maybe that will improve confidence and impress upon them the importance of carrying C1.

[asbandr]

At first I felt uncomfortable carrying chambered. But I also knew that as a chl holder I am already preparing for somewhat of a worst case scenario, and since I don't know what exact scenario I could be met with, I don't want to trust I'll be able to chamber a round beforehand. So I researched the mechanics of the gun in more detail, and did research on my specific gun to be sure of no recalls or common complaints regarding safety. Then I got to the range for more practice. I feel much better about it.

[Excaliber]

At first I felt uncomfortable carrying chambered. But I also knew that as a chl holder I am already preparing for somewhat of a worst case scenario, and since I don't know what exact scenario I could be met with, I don't want to trust I'll be able to chamber a round beforehand. So I researched the mechanics of the gun in more detail, and did research on my specific gun to be sure of no recalls or common complaints regarding safety. Then I got to the range for more practice. I feel much better about it.

You followed exactly the right approach to the problem.

One issue to carrying with no round in the chamber that hasn't been emphasized here is that it takes two hands to chamber and during a confrontation you may not have both hands available for that task.

It's possible to chamber one handed, but someone who is concerned about carrying chambered would be unlikely to practice the somewhat dicey techniques for a small gun.

[ShootDontTalk]

By "muscle memory", I am talking at least 1000 practice draws. (Make sure you wear an old worn out bra, because it will get yanked on to death! )

I'm sorry....I can't help it. JF, care to tell us exactly how you know this???

My profound apologies. Back to the topic on hand. [muffled choking as coffee dribbles from mouth in a fit of laughing]

[RKlenka]

Pretty much everything can be boiled down to two things: Equipment and Training

If you don't trust your equipment (I'm scared that my gun will just go off, or my holster/whatever will hit the trigger so i don't carry one in the chamber) then you need better equipment. It still amazes me that people will spend so much on a gun then go pick up some 15 dollar nylon holster and then complain about it not being comfortable, or accessible. I was told by some instructors of mine that the main reason the Israelis carried without one in the trigger is due to bad equipment when they started out. They where given everyone's hand me downs and some of those firearms they where given just couldn't be trusted with one in the chamber. They have great equipment now and have no use to continue carrying that way but i know a lot of them (Krav Maga guys in particular) still train and teach that way because it has become their calling card. If you don't trust your equipment then get better equipment.

Now training (I just don't trust myself or feel comfortable carrying that way) can be fixed through training, practice, drills and experience. Depending on my group I try and teach a mini-seminar after a CHL class or any Intro/Basics class to get people comfortable with carrying and drawing a loaded firearm. I just had a group in a intro to defensive pistol course with CHLs who have never drawn and live fired their firearms. Some carried daily and they have fired from a holster before. I wish basic drawing skills was a requirement of the CHL test. A foreign instructor of mine told us that he teaches his new recruits to "Israeli carry" because he doesn't trust them to carry one in the chamber. Its a pretty bad state of affairs when you cant trust your own police and military to carry with one in the pipe but that's how it is where he is from. I understand that ranges that let you draw can be rare depending on where you are, i know instructors and courses can be expensive but your first time firing from a holster should not be when the bad guy is on you.

others might not feel as confident in that - and THAT'S OK.

That's not OK though. There maybe valid reasons (i cant really think of any) to carry that way but lack of confidence is not one of them. Lack of confidence is a liability and it should be fixed through training and practice yesterday.

But then again I know guys who will argue to the ends of the earth that shooting while moving is a crime against humanity.

[asbandr]

I think top gun in houston will let you draw and fire but you have to do some little training bit with them first. Whenever I go out to my moms and shoot I try to draw quickly for training. I'm mainly hesitant about the holster not so much my gun or training. So I always put a new holster through a day in the life of a stay at home mom, unchambered. So I've been wearing the flash bang all day through laundry, taking out the trash, making beds, and caring for a sick child. Everything seems to stay pretty secure. I have to uh, adjust occasionally, but all in all, I think it'll be safe and I feel more comfortable chambering a round.

What you're saying makes sense.