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How is any EDC going to stop a bomb vest?

You can always meet your maker on your terms instead of his, even if it is just a few seconds early.

suthdj wrote:How is any EDC going to stop a bomb vest?

It may not be possible for one that is truly determined, but not all are that determined.

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Here are just two that were stopped, not by being shot, but just by being confronted and not seemingly really wanting to die for their cause. I'm only guessing at that since they did not follow through and detonate their bomb when discovered.

A few years ago we attended a very large sporting event. 100 thousand+ people confined in a bowl. Only fire arms were possessed by the +/- 100 or so LEOs working the event security. All I saw were handguns on the LEOs. When we got to our seats I realized how vulnerable this unarmed crowd was. I won't describe the vulnerabilities that I observed but they were numerous. A crowd panic alone would probably kill 100s. I then realized that I actually saw the event better in front of my TV and I felt safer!

2farnorth wrote:A few years ago we attended a very large sporting event. 100 thousand+ people confined in a bowl. Only fire arms were possessed by the +/- 100 or so LEOs working the event security. All I saw were handguns on the LEOs. When we got to our seats I realized how vulnerable this unarmed crowd was. I won't describe the vulnerabilities that I observed but they were numerous. A crowd panic alone would probably kill 100s. I then realized that I actually saw the event better in front of my TV and I felt safer!

I have yet to attend any televised event where I wouldn't have had a better seat in my living room.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Maybe it's time to have that STI Modular Frame 1911 built in 9X23! With two extra mags on the belt, that would give me something like 66 rounds or so. (Hey Martha, it's so I can better protect you!)

Chas.

That should give you enough suppressive fire capability to help Martha make it out of Dodge!

suthdj wrote:How is any EDC going to stop a bomb vest?

Bomb vests require high order explosives which are not readily available in the U.S., and they take significant skill to construct. That's why the vests are provided to the "martyrs" already assembled by experienced technicians instead of just as do it yourself instructions.

Firearms attacks by small numbers of adversaries are much easier to plan, equip and execute, and thus more likely. A suitable EDC is an appropriate tool for such situations.

It's also worthwhile to note that giving up before engaging is a pretty foolproof way to lose.

Very timely topic. Hubby and I have been thinking the same thing. He reviewed our supplies and we will be working towards certain goals. This surely is a threat everyone needs to take seriously. This type of threat takes money and serious planning. They're making money by taking over oil fields in Iraq. Hubby said they're earning a million a day selling oil. They successfully raided the bank in Iraq also. Bottom line, do NOT believe this president's wish that this has nothing to do with Americans and what we are, it has EVERYTHING to do with us.

My fear has always been another Beslan, Russia. Have we truly forgotten 9-11? This administration would love the fantasy of that being old news, well, this American family has never forgotten and never will. The American people who don't drink this administration's koolaide, know that true evil is out there and ready and willing to jump on a weak & unwilling country. It is by the will of our armed citizens that this will never be accomplished so easily. There will be a fight, they are wrong if they believe the image of a weak president represents a weak-willed populace. We will stand and rally! Remember the Alamo! Remember 9-11!

CHLLady wrote:Very timely topic. Hubby and I have been thinking the same thing. He reviewed our supplies and we will be working towards certain goals. This surely is a threat everyone needs to take seriously. This type of threat takes money and serious planning. They're making money by taking over oil fields in Iraq. Hubby said they're earning a million a day selling oil. They successfully raided the bank in Iraq also. Bottom line, do NOT believe this president's wish that this has nothing to do with Americans and what we are, it has EVERYTHING to do with us.

My fear has always been another Beslan, Russia. Have we truly forgotten 9-11? This administration would love the fantasy of that being old news, well, this American family has never forgotten and never will. The American people who don't drink this administration's koolaide, know that true evil is out there and ready and willing to jump on a weak & unwilling country. It is by the will of our armed citizens that this will never be accomplished so easily. There will be a fight, they are wrong if they believe the image of a weak president represents a weak-willed populace. We will stand and rally! Remember the Alamo! Remember 9-11!

They are raking in $2 million per day by selling oil at deeply discounted prices.

They walked away from their raid on the bank in Mosul with $425 million.

They captured three U.S. divisions' worth of heavy military equipment when the Iraqi army turned tail and ran. They're using that in their blitzkrieg attack in Iraq.

Our president is reportedly "thinking" about what to do between rounds of golf while on vacation whenever he's not thinking about how to make every criminal who crossed the border illegally a democratic voter. He has removed all defenses from our southern border and effectively said "come one, come all" to make sure no terrorist has any trouble getting in.

Congress is supine, impotent and quivering with cowardice and moral weakness.

Our secretary of defense, instead of planning to deal with the enemy, has told the country to "get ready" for ISIS attacks.

The cold hard truth is that the government is no longer even pretending that it's going to even make an effort to protect us from foreign enemies.

Elections truly do have consequences.

We the citizens are most certainly on our own.

2farnorth wrote:A few years ago we attended a very large sporting event. 100 thousand+ people confined in a bowl. Only fire arms were possessed by the +/- 100 or so LEOs working the event security. All I saw were handguns on the LEOs. When we got to our seats I realized how vulnerable this unarmed crowd was. I won't describe the vulnerabilities that I observed but they were numerous. A crowd panic alone would probably kill 100s. I then realized that I actually saw the event better in front of my TV and I felt safer!

You just described the opening story line for Matthew Bracken's Enemies Foreign And Domestic.

At this time, I am avoiding large crowd meetings unless necessary( like shopping or going to a hospital/doctor visit). A good example of places to avoid is places of the like the attack at the hotel in India or that mall in Kenya. In those case, military grade rifles and grenades and explosive were all used and were easily available.

Here in US, Terrorists would have access to what is available to the public or maybe stolen goods like in the Oklahoma incident.
I am sure I can keep a rifle in my car trunk. But if you can reach your car, you are out of the engagement to safety. It is your call what to do.

Excaliber wrote:

CHLLady wrote:Very timely topic. Hubby and I have been thinking the same thing. He reviewed our supplies and we will be working towards certain goals. This surely is a threat everyone needs to take seriously. This type of threat takes money and serious planning. They're making money by taking over oil fields in Iraq. Hubby said they're earning a million a day selling oil. They successfully raided the bank in Iraq also. Bottom line, do NOT believe this president's wish that this has nothing to do with Americans and what we are, it has EVERYTHING to do with us.

My fear has always been another Beslan, Russia. Have we truly forgotten 9-11? This administration would love the fantasy of that being old news, well, this American family has never forgotten and never will. The American people who don't drink this administration's koolaide, know that true evil is out there and ready and willing to jump on a weak & unwilling country. It is by the will of our armed citizens that this will never be accomplished so easily. There will be a fight, they are wrong if they believe the image of a weak president represents a weak-willed populace. We will stand and rally! Remember the Alamo! Remember 9-11!

They are raking in $2 million per day by selling oil at deeply discounted prices.

They walked away from their raid on the bank in Mosul with $425 million.

They captured three U.S. divisions' worth of heavy military equipment when the Iraqi army turned tail and ran. They're using that in their blitzkrieg attack in Iraq.

The current POTUS is reportedly "thinking" about what to do between rounds of golf while on vacation whenever he's not thinking about how to make every criminal who crossed the border illegally a democratic voter. He has removed all defenses from our southern border and effectively said "come one, come all" to make sure no terrorist has any trouble getting in.

Congress is supine, impotent and quivering with cowardice and moral weakness.

Our secretary of defense, instead of planning to deal with the enemy, has told the country to "get ready" for ISIS attacks.

The cold hard truth is that the government is no longer even pretending that it's going to even make an effort to protect us from foreign enemies.

Elections truly do have consequences.

We the citizens are most certainly on our own.

Fixed that for uh,....me.

If a jihadist were to kill 4 Americans on both coasts, you'd think that would get the attention of the MSM and it would be bigger news than Ferguson.

You'd be wrong.

Murderous acts of jihad have already started. One man has reportedly killed four people in cold blood, supposedly to avenge Muslim deaths overseas. One victim was shot ten times in the back.

We've heard only crickets about this from the leftstream media because it doesn't fit the narrative they're pushing.

Details here.

Jumping Frog wrote:

2farnorth wrote:A few years ago we attended a very large sporting event. 100 thousand+ people confined in a bowl. Only fire arms were possessed by the +/- 100 or so LEOs working the event security. All I saw were handguns on the LEOs. When we got to our seats I realized how vulnerable this unarmed crowd was. I won't describe the vulnerabilities that I observed but they were numerous. A crowd panic alone would probably kill 100s. I then realized that I actually saw the event better in front of my TV and I felt safer!

You just described the opening story line for Matthew Bracken's Enemies Foreign And Domestic.

Sounds like a book I need to read. What's that old saying: "Great minds think alike"!

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