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Jim Beaux wrote:

EEllis wrote:

johncanfield wrote:"Davila said the Harrisons' home had been the target of an Aug. 21 drug raid by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Daisetta Police Department and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency. No further information about that raid or the home invasion was available."

Doesn't sound like a randomly picked victim.

Sounds like if you are not involved with drug dealing you really don't have to worry about this type of issue.

What makes you assume these victims were involved in drug dealing?

Easy......it fits his prejudices. It must be right.

OK guys, enough. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Drop it and move on.

EEllis wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

EEllis wrote:

johncanfield wrote:"Davila said the Harrisons' home had been the target of an Aug. 21 drug raid by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Daisetta Police Department and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency. No further information about that raid or the home invasion was available."

Doesn't sound like a randomly picked victim.

Sounds like if you are not involved with drug dealing you really don't have to worry about this type of issue.

I disagree.

The Cato Foundation has documented hundreds and hundreds of no-knock SWAT raids every year that are made at the incorrect address.

It can be a problem for any ordinary law-abiding citizen.

Now, I do agree with you that illegal behavior makes the chances of a raid more likely.

Wrong house is one thing, FAKE, which is what happened here, is different.

Which do you think happens more often? The police raid the wrong house or bad guys pose as police to rob someone that deals drugs?

The only thing relevant here is that the citizens were robbed by criminals masquerading as cops taking advantage of the fear that is perpetrated by the far too common practice of no knock warrants.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:The only thing relevant here is that the citizens were robbed by criminals masquerading as cops taking advantage of the fear that is perpetrated by the far too common practice of no knock warrants.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:The only thing relevant here is that the citizens were robbed by criminals masquerading as cops taking advantage of the fear that is perpetrated by the far too common practice of no knock warrants.

Anygunanywhere

Because YOU don't know that it had anything to do with their involvement with drugs. The fact that they were the subject of a combined raid by the DPS/PD/DEA does't make them guilty. How about the possibility that someone in the drug task force told someone outside the force about finding the cash, but no drugs, and that info got to someone who took advantage of it. Hopefully not, but there's even the possibility that someone involved in the first raid felt sure they were guilty, even though no drugs were found, and decided to mete out some "financial justice". The problem I see, is that the homeowner ...regardless of innocence or guilt...has NO way to know who is coming through the door, and it's a "no win" situation for them. If they resist and it IS a legitimate raid...even if it is due to wrong address, wrong name, transposed ID number...they are likely to be shot. If they don't resist and it's a staged robbery, the outcome is not good either.

You are arguing a bunch of stuff I made no comment on. Maybe they are innocent. In that case the invasion might just of been because of press coverage. I still hold that it doesn't seem random. That people who haven't been dealing or accused of such, are not high profile, etc probably are not at a high risk of such a thing happening.

Which do you think happens more often? The police raid the wrong house or bad guys pose as police to rob someone that deals drugs?

hopefully the latter.

To be honest my initial comment was more about threat evaluation than anything else. I didn't even think of it as a police issue because it didn't involve cops. Unless maybe some dirty cops were the home invaders. They sure convinced the homeowners they were cops. The no knock raid issue has been beaten to death and few posters are bothering to listen so I wasn't trying to touch that part of it. Heck like I said it wasn't cops so I just didn't think of it in those terms.

anygunanywhere wrote:The only thing relevant here is that the citizens were robbed by criminals masquerading as cops taking advantage of the fear that is perpetrated by the far too common practice of no knock warrants.

Anygunanywhere

EEllis wrote:

johncanfield wrote:"Davila said the Harrisons' home had been the target of an Aug. 21 drug raid by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Daisetta Police Department and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency. No further information about that raid or the home invasion was available."

Doesn't sound like a randomly picked victim.

Sounds like if you are not involved with drug dealing you really don't have to worry about this type of issue.

There is a quote some thing like this. "First they came for the unionists, I was not a unionist, so I didn't care. Then they came for the Jews..."

philip964 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

johncanfield wrote:"Davila said the Harrisons' home had been the target of an Aug. 21 drug raid by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Daisetta Police Department and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency. No further information about that raid or the home invasion was available."

Doesn't sound like a randomly picked victim.

Sounds like if you are not involved with drug dealing you really don't have to worry about this type of issue.

There is a quote some thing like this. "First they came for the unionists, I was not a unionist, so I didn't care. Then they came for the Jews..."

Great but you might want to pick a quote with some slight connection to the incident. This was, as far as anyone has mentioned, a crime committed by criminals, not the govt, police, or anyone else. So if you think there is some big miscarriage of justice by pointing out that certain behaviors may increase the threat of such things happening to an individual..... well that kind of shuts off the conversation doesn't it.

EEllis wrote:

philip964 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

johncanfield wrote:"Davila said the Harrisons' home had been the target of an Aug. 21 drug raid by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Daisetta Police Department and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency. No further information about that raid or the home invasion was available."

Doesn't sound like a randomly picked victim.

Sounds like if you are not involved with drug dealing you really don't have to worry about this type of issue.

There is a quote some thing like this. "First they came for the unionists, I was not a unionist, so I didn't care. Then they came for the Jews..."

Great but you might want to pick a quote with some slight connection to the incident. This was, as far as anyone has mentioned, a crime committed by criminals, not the govt, police, or anyone else. So if you think there is some big miscarriage of justice by pointing out that certain behaviors may increase the threat of such things happening to an individual..... well that kind of shuts off the conversation doesn't it.

The problem with your whole premise is you assume they are drug dealers or involved with drugs. They may very well be but you do not KNOW that. You allude to them deserving or bringing the robbery on themselves. Also, if these type of raids weren't so common, maybe the thugs wouldn't have emulated cops to pull it off.

mojo84 wrote:

The problem with your whole premise is you assume they are drug dealers or involved with drugs. They may very well be but you do not KNOW that. You allude to them deserving or bringing the robbery on themselves. Also, if these type of raids weren't so common, maybe the thugs wouldn't have emulated cops to pull it off.

Well no if you read some of the other things I said and not just the one sentence I even state that they might be innocent and just the knowledge of the previous law enforcement action could of cause this incident. Regardless it still helps evaluate the risk for such an event happening to an individual. I remember a time when there were people running around doing kick ins and wearing raid jackets. For some reason I'm thinking it was out towards Sugarland in the late 90's early 2000's. In those cases I believe they thought that they may have followed luxury cars to the locations then kicked in the doors. Hearing that if I lived in the area and fit that description of having a Lux auto I would be extra careful. In this case I don't see anything that warrants extra caution. As to if the cops would or would not of emulated police... Who knows. I haven't said squat about it so please stop trying to beat me over the head with it. I will say that this was like no fake raid I ever heard of. These guys were so good the people they robbed called the cops latter sure the cops raided them. This is something else that to me screams it wasn't random.

And it still doesn't make that quote any more fitting.

It was $6000 in cash. Nothing to sneeze at, but hardly what I would call drug dealer money unless just small time.

Sounds like they were in the house immediately. Another reason to work on beefing up doors and windows to provide some warning.

EEllis wrote:

philip964 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

johncanfield wrote:"Davila said the Harrisons' home had been the target of an Aug. 21 drug raid by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the Daisetta Police Department and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency. No further information about that raid or the home invasion was available."

Doesn't sound like a randomly picked victim.

Sounds like if you are not involved with drug dealing you really don't have to worry about this type of issue.

There is a quote some thing like this. "First they came for the unionists, I was not a unionist, so I didn't care. Then they came for the Jews..."

Great but you might want to pick a quote with some slight connection to the incident. This was, as far as anyone has mentioned, a crime committed by criminals, not the govt, police, or anyone else. So if you think there is some big miscarriage of justice by pointing out that certain behaviors may increase the threat of such things happening to an individual..... well that kind of shuts off the conversation doesn't it.

First SWAT raided drug dealers in the middle of the night and I wasn't a drug dealer, so I didn't care. Then SWAT raided men with child porn in the middle of the night. I wasn't a pornographer, so I didn't care. Then SWAT raided families with copyright violations on their computers in the middle of the night, stripping the wife of her towel concealing her nakedness. My wife sleeps in a nightgown, so I didn't care. Then SWAT raided a person who had an enemy who called 911 and reported a bomb. I didn't care as I had no enemies. "Then they came for me. There was no one left to speak for me"