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As I understand it, the honor guard doesn't carry a loaded gun. Might as well have been a paperweight.

The guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery are being told to be extra alert. I hope they give them real bullets or have an armed "visitor" sitting in the observation stands.

philip964 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/police-man-shot-w ... 35480.html

Honor guard was shot at "point blank range". Was the poor honor guard supplied with ammunition?

Honor Guard was a father of a young son and is described as a man who would do anything for you.
RIP

I remember seeing a guard one time in Canada, I'll have to look but I bet he was armed with a flintlock.

BG wore a hoodie.

BG has been described as a recent convert. But his dad went to Libia to fight Kadafi.

Sounds like there were no armed anyone inside the parliament building with the exception of the Sargent of Arms.
Didn't sound like he was an LEO, but a ceremonial guy with a big hat and big sash.

Fortunately he was armed with real bullets and was a good shot or things could have been very bad.

Point blank range remind me again where it came from.

Thanks

While Mr. Vickers does have a few ceremonial duties, he is first and foremost the head of security for the Canadian Parliament's House of Commons. He is a 29 year veteran of the RCMP and directs all Commons security activity . He's not the only armed member of Parliamentary Security, he was just the closest.
Likewise the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives have Sergeants-at Arms.
The House has Paul D. Irving. Mr. Irving was an Assistant Director of the U.S. Secret Service from 2001 to 2008, serving as a Special Agent with the Secret Service for 25 years.The Sergeant at Arms reviews and implements all issues relating to the safety and security of Members of Congress and the Capitol complex. The Sergeant at Arms also coordinates extensively with the U.S. Capitol Police and various intelligence agencies to assess threats against Members of Congress and the Capitol complex.
The Senate has Andrew B. Willison. His education and experience has all been in the realm of Administrative Staff and Support. He oversees the largest Senate organization with a staff of over 800 and $200 million annual budget. Uniquely the Senate Sergeant at Arms is authorized to arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules, including the President of the United States.

From the video of Parliament shooting. There was 1 loud shot (I assume it is from the shooter shotgun) and a hail of bullets, (like 20+ rds). The shooter got drained at a fast clip.

philip964 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/police-man-shot-w ... 35480.html

Honor guard was shot at "point blank range". Was the poor honor guard supplied with ammunition?
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Sounds like there were no armed anyone inside the parliament building with the exception of the Sargent of Arms.
Didn't sound like he was an LEO, but a ceremonial guy with a big hat and big sash.

Fortunately he was armed with real bullets and was a good shot or things could have been very bad.

I read elsewhere the honor guard's rifle was unloaded.

The sergeant at arms had to first go to a lock box and retrieve the pistol before he could hunt the terrorist down and kill him.

I read elsewhere the honor guard's rifle was unloaded.

The sergeant at arms had to first go to a lock box and retrieve the pistol before he could hunt the terrorist down and kill him.

yeah, that sounds about right.

The global war on terror has been as successful as the war on drugs. You just have to love our governments for keeping us all so safe.

Reports are coming out now that everyone has had time to investigate. It's possible it wasn't a terrorist attack, but just a man with some serious mental health issues.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-shooter-tri ... -1.2068636" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think as a country, it would be easier to cope with a mental heath issue rather than a terrorist attack. (Although you could say the two are not mutually exclusive.) It just brings it back full circle to prove that it's not a gun problem - it's a mental health problem. You can't save the world from crazy people.

Another report saying the attack was not related to ISIS:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29752077" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

howdy wrote:The guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery are being told to be extra alert. I hope they give them real bullets or have an armed "visitor" sitting in the observation stands.

Is the one guy armed with a pistol when he comes to change the guards? I forget what he's called.

philip964 wrote:Honor Guard was a father of a young son and is described as a man who would do anything for you.

IIRC, there was also a witness who said he moved toward the shooter and appeared to be readying for a disarm attempt.

I read on another forum that the shooter was armed with a Winchester '94 in 30-30. Here is the link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa-sh ... -1.2811249

http://news.yahoo.com/canada-pm-hid-clo ... UAB7DQtDMD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What to do in a country with no guns and your the PM?

Hide in a closet, while your associates fashion spears out of flagpoles.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/wo ... rrer=&_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More on soldier who was killed at Canadian War Memorial. Rifle was unloaded. RIP

Yea that's standard. The guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are also carrying unloaded rifles.