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philip964 wrote:Would n't the shot gun have to be stored at a police station? I thought only bolt action guns were allowed

Maybe a bolt action shotgun!

Two hostages killed. One officer wounded.

Terrorist was try to move a group of hostages when another group bolted.

He opened fire and that caused the police to go in.

RIP

TheArmedFarmer wrote:I'm acquainted with a good number of Australians and they all seem to be universally proud of the fact that they "don't have to have guns" because their country is so safe. This terrible event will certainly cause a re-evaluation of that thought process.

Based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the Australian continent, maybe the crime is low but the wildlife is impressively deadly. If that isn't enough to make them want guns, I doubt the human wildlife will be either.

MotherBear wrote:

TheArmedFarmer wrote:I'm acquainted with a good number of Australians and they all seem to be universally proud of the fact that they "don't have to have guns" because their country is so safe. This terrible event will certainly cause a re-evaluation of that thought process.

Based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the Australian continent, maybe the crime is low but the wildlife is impressively deadly. If that isn't enough to make them want guns, I doubt the human wildlife will be either.

I was thinking they would seek a world wide ban on the military style assault high powered pump shotgun.

News footage I saw showed him walking in front of a glass window several times. Sniper should have simply put him down. Period. Preemptive shot would have saved two hostages and an LEO.

Hells bells, from a hundred yards I could have put a shot inside a 1 inch circle and so could dozens and dozens of people in this forum. Should have been a no brainer for trained police sniper.

Didn't have the will to act.

Jumping Frog wrote:News footage I saw showed him walking in front of a glass window several times. Sniper should have simply put him down. Period. Preemptive shot would have saved two hostages and an LEO.

Hells bells, from a hundred yards I could have put a shot inside a 1 inch circle and so could dozens and dozens of people in this forum. Should have been a no brainer for trained police sniper.

Didn't have the will to act.

I doubt the problem was the will to act but more likely the lack of permission to fire.

nightmare69 wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:News footage I saw showed him walking in front of a glass window several times. Sniper should have simply put him down. Period. Preemptive shot would have saved two hostages and an LEO.

Hells bells, from a hundred yards I could have put a shot inside a 1 inch circle and so could dozens and dozens of people in this forum. Should have been a no brainer for trained police sniper.

Didn't have the will to act.

I doubt the problem was the will to act but more likely the lack of permission to fire.

What is the difference? Someone in the chain did not have the will to act.

Looks to me like lack of will in action as well. The video of the assault has the "news" readers saying the police are storming the cafe. But looking at the video I don't see much in the way of "storming." Looks to me like four or five guys standing in the doorway shooting into the cafe and tossing in an occasional stun grenade. Seems to me that the Aussie cops are impressively armed and not impressively deployed.

VMI77 wrote:Looks to me like lack of will in action as well. The video of the assault has the "news" readers saying the police are storming the cafe. But looking at the video I don't see much in the way of "storming." Looks to me like four or five guys standing in the doorway shooting into the cafe and tossing in an occasional stun grenade. Seems to me that the Aussie cops are impressively armed and not impressively deployed.

The first officer went in like a boss while the others stood outside for some reason.

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Terrorist was not a registered gun owner. Surprise, surprise.