Campus carry would cost Texas colleges millions

[Cedar Park Dad]

As an university LEO, the only change I could see is students with CHLs who live on campus either in dorms or apartments being required to buy some sort of lock box to store their firearm when not carrying on their person. Sure policy will change for those students but I think people are freaking out over nothing.

I would bet that the number of 21 year olds still living on campus is not very big.

I know at Aggieville it was actively discouraged after freshman year. That was my boy's excuse for moving in with friends to their own place anyway...

[Charles L. Cotton]

And this blatant lie is coming from UT Chancellor Admiral McRaven?

My respect for him continues to go out the window.

*edit* I can't read the full article so my question is genuine. Is it coming from UT or is someone else spouting this lie?

I haven't seen McRaven touting his military service as some sort of special qualification to serve as Chancellor, but those opposed to campus-carry certainly do so on a regular basis. His experience as a Seal certainly makes him an expert on killing people and blowing stuff up, but it doesn't even make him a good candidate to be a street COP, much less an expert on student safety.

Chas.

[Ruark]

Is he really an ex-SEAL? I've met more phonies than I can count. Some of them start in BUDS and don't make it, then go around claiming to be "ex-SEALS." I'm not trying to be belligerent, I just see a yellow flag when somebody claims to be an ex-SEAL.

[mojo84]

I don't think a general would attempt or get away with making such a false claim. Unless evidence surfaces to contradict his claim, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Like Charles said, I don't believe it makes him any more qualified for his current position.

[TexasCajun]

I think that those claiming that campus carry would result in additional costs are just following the leading questions from Ellis & Zaffarini during the hearing. Several times, both senators led the witnesses into bringing up "unfunded mandates" when discussing both sb11 and sb17. This is just the follow-up.

[K5GU]

This link may better inform you of why reporters for that newspaper shoot from the hip on political issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chronicle
and
http://www.buybackyourvote.com/company/ ... =2012&ch=n

[joe817]

Is he really an ex-SEAL? I've met more phonies than I can count. Some of them start in BUDS and don't make it, then go around claiming to be "ex-SEALS." I'm not trying to be belligerent, I just see a yellow flag when somebody claims to be an ex-SEAL.

Yes, he's the real deal, by any stretch of the imagination:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[VMI77]

This is so silly. They're conjuring up pictures of tens of thousands of peach-fuzz frat boys walking around armed to the teeth. Most college students aren't even old enough to buy a handgun, much less get a CHL to carry one around. Pure media-driven hysteria.

You and I and everyone on the forum knows that, as well as a lot of people in the Texas Legislature. I'd wager the Houston Chronicle knows that. BUT if they printed the FULL story and truth, they would lose their ability to print half-truths to further their agenda, and decrease their ability to sensationalize the news to sell more newspapers. More ubber liberal lies.


The sad thing is, is that their readers look to them to fully disclose the truth.....which they do not!

The chronicle hasn't a been a real newspaper for several years now. I doubt if they're worried about what both remaining readers think.

There are still real newspapers in the US? When I think about it, I'm not so sure there have ever been any "real" newspapers, if by that you mean entities that attempt to report objective truth rather that vehicles for advertising, promotion, social engineering, and propaganda.

[PaJ]

As an university LEO, the only change I could see is students with CHLs who live on campus either in dorms or apartments being required to buy some sort of lock box to store their firearm when not carrying on their person. Sure policy will change for those students but I think people are freaking out over nothing.

I would bet that the number of 21 year olds still living on campus is not very big.

Exactly. Most people in dorms are underclassmen - who are by the huge majority under 21 years old. Those eligible to carry on campus would be seniors, grad students and faculty - most of whom don't live in dorms.

When listening to the arguments against campus carry during the committee session, I was amazed at the number of people that tried to use "danger in the dorms" as an argument. But I guess if you don't have a good basis for an argument, all you can do is make stuff up.

[jmra]

Seems like someone should be able to run the numbers on the ages of students living on campus.

[Jason K]

What a crock.

"According to fiscal analyses drawn up by Texas' higher education systems and obtained by the Houston Chronicle, so-called campus carry would cost the University of Texas and University of Houston systems nearly $47 million combined over six years to update security systems, build gun storage facilities and bolster campus police units."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/ho ... 094445.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wouldn't the holster of the CHL carrier handle this duty without any undue expense? Or will the university be providing free holsters to CHL's? If so, I might enroll so I can get a new Bravo Concealment rig....

[Ruark]

Don't forget employees. The University of Texas has 25,000 employees, many of whom walk a LOOONG way to their cars after work, often in the dark, and often in vast, dark parking garages where an elephant stampede wouldn't be noticed. MANY of the assault, rape and murder incidents occur to staff (and students) walking in the outlying areas of these vast campuses. I personally knew a secretary who was beaten and robbed as she was walking to her car way up on the umpteenth floor of a parking garage. I'm sure a lot of such people would appreciate the ability to carry a defensive weapon.

[PaJ]

Seems like someone should be able to run the numbers on the ages of students living on campus.

I'm sure it's somewhere. A quick search found an article by Forbes that said that 14% of all college students live on campus. Deductive reasoning would indicate that the majority of that 14% are under 21 years old if for no other reason than the dropout rate of college results in more 1st year students than 2nd year, 2nd year than 3rd year, etc. Assuming the same percentage of 1st year students live on campus as 4th year students, and given the dropout rate is around 50%, there would be a significant number more students under the age of 21 than 21 or above that live on campus. I couldn't find the dropout rate per year so it'd be a pure guess to figure out the exact percentage under 21.

But for grins, let's go high and say 25% of the students in the dorm are 21 or over. So for every 100,000 students, 14,000 live in the dorm and 3,500 are eligible for a CHL. In Texas, one statistic says 2.25% conceal carry, so 79 out of 100,000 college students will have a CHL and live in the dorm. Since there are about $1.6 million college students in Texas, this would mean that there is a total of 1,300 students who live on campus and have a CHL. Even at $100 per lock box, that is a cost of $130,000 for all of the colleges and universities in Texas to have a way for on campus residents to secure their weapons. As others have pointed out, there's no expense for anyone from off campus since they would have the burden of carrying concealed.

This article is just more irrationality to "see what sticks" as someone said earlier.

[jmra]

Seems like someone should be able to run the numbers on the ages of students living on campus.

I'm sure it's somewhere. A quick search found an article by Forbes that said that 14% of all college students live on campus. Deductive reasoning would indicate that the majority of that 14% are under 21 years old if for no other reason than the dropout rate of college results in more 1st year students than 2nd year, 2nd year than 3rd year, etc. Assuming the same percentage of 1st year students live on campus as 4th year students, and given the dropout rate is around 50%, there would be a significant number more students under the age of 21 than 21 or above that live on campus. I couldn't find the dropout rate per year so it'd be a pure guess to figure out the exact percentage under 21.

But for grins, let's go high and say 25% of the students in the dorm are 21 or over. So for every 100,000 students, 14,000 live in the dorm and 3,500 are eligible for a CHL. In Texas, one statistic says 2.25% conceal carry, so 79 out of 100,000 college students will have a CHL and live in the dorm. Since there are about $1.6 million college students in Texas, this would mean that there is a total of 1,300 students who live on campus and have a CHL. Even at $100 per lock box, that is a cost of $130,000 for all of the colleges and universities in Texas to have a way for on campus residents to secure their weapons. As others have pointed out, there's no expense for anyone from off campus since they would have the burden of carrying concealed.

This article is just more irrationality to "see what sticks" as someone said earlier.

I would consider it reasonable for the student to pay the $100 for the lock box. After all, I pay for a safe for my home.

[mr surveyor]

who would know if a chl "student" needed a lockbox in a dorm anyway?


jd