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Re: Mass murder - trigger finger vs controls of airplane
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:33 am
by rbwhatever1
I'm with you on not flying. Not worth my time or effort and nothing I want to see anyway...
Re: Mass murder - trigger finger vs controls of airplane
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:01 pm
by Jumping Frog
I view airplanes as just another criminal protection zone (CPZ). Allowing armed citizens is generally the best protection against mass murder in a CPZ. I'd have no problem with ordinary citizens being able to fly with their firearm.
Re: Mass murder - trigger finger vs controls of airplane
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:01 pm
by philip964
Ok here are my statistics on mass murder at the controls of an airplane since 1990:
Silk Air 1997 104
Egypt Air 1999 217
9/11 2001 2,996
Mozambique Airlines 2013 33
Malasia Air 2014 277
GermanWings 2015 150
Total 3527 souls
What you immediately realize is that airline safety is so good that these events become a large percentage of total airline deaths.
I used this article for some of my numbers
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/germanwing ... d=29932202" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This number is also influenced a great deal by 9/11. Which some might consider to be war, however it perfectly fits criteria and they were not military planes and no one was in uniform.
Re: Mass murder - trigger finger vs controls of airplane
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:09 pm
by jmra
philip964 wrote:Ok here are my statistics on mass murder at the controls of an airplane since 1990:
Silk Air 1997 104
Egypt Air 1999 217
9/11 2001 2,996
Mozambique Airlines 2013 33
Malasia Air 2014 277
GermanWings 2015 150
Total 3527 souls
What you immediately realize is that airline safety is so good that these events become a large percentage of total airline deaths.
I used this article for some of my numbers
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/germanwing ... d=29932202" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This number is also influenced a great deal by 9/11. Which some might consider to be war, however it perfectly fits criteria and they were not military planes and no one was in uniform.
Some other deaths that were a direct result of hijacked aircraft although some of the planes were not crashed.
http://www.airsafe.com/events/hijack.htm
Re: Mass murder - trigger finger vs controls of airplane
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:52 pm
by philip964
The trigger finger deaths are harder to quantify, since there are so many. Plus where do you draw the line, when is it mass murder vs an ordinary homicide. This list is missing a lot of mass murders in China, Africa, South America, but these are the ones we see in the news.
Here is my list:
Jacksonville Florida 1990 10
Aramoana New Zealand 1990 13
Killeen Texas 1991 23
Toulon France 1995 13
Dunblane Scotland 1996 17
Port Arthur Australia 1996 35
Brazil 1997 17
Littleton Colorado 1999 13
Atlanta Georgia 1999 12
Zug Switzerland 2001 14
Osaka Japan 2001 8
Erfurt Germany 2002 16
Nanterre France 2002 8
Red Lake Minnesota 2005 9
Tuusula Finland 2007 8
Blacksburg Virginia 2007 32
Kauhajok Finland 2008 10
Los Angeles California 2008 9
Alabama 2009 10
Binghampton New York 2009 13
Killeen Texas 2009 13
Winneden Germany 2009 15
Oslo/Utoeya Norway 2011 77
Newtown Connecticut 2012 27
Aurora Colorado 2012 12
Nairobi Kenya 2013 67
Total 493 souls.
It it would appear you are 7 times more likely to be murdered by someone at the controls of an airplane than you would be by a mass killer at a school, movie theatre, McDonalds, etc. pulling a trigger.